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19 hours ago, MarkPrice25 said:

To be fair, the only communist governments they had to go by were Russia (Stalin and his cronies jailing & murdering their own people), China (Mao and his cronies jailing & murdering their own people), North Korea (the Kims and their cronies jailing & murdering their own people) and Cuba (Castro and his cronies jailing & murdering their own people). If that was all you had to go by, wouldn't you want to prevent the spread of that around the world?

 

Anyway, back to football. I think Joe Woods is a lock for DC, and I wonder if Van Pelt will be OC/QB coach or just OC.

**(No one’s EVER going to read even a sentence of this… nor will it last long … and it feels good; the long post to end all long post…. drank a ton of coffee and rather zone out on this than be attentive in the nails on chalkboard personal misconduct & harassment HR meeting … helped me blow through the monotony and now I’m 7 minutes from lunch for the win)**

 

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Your points raise a fascinating discussion imo regarding the stark contrast between the actual motivations, reasoning, and rationale used by those in power and in government for decisions on war force according to their own words and the rationalizations and justifications created to pacify the mass public.

Ultimately, there’s a lot of untruths, generalizations, and ahistorical assumptions to your points.

The Key:  A major portion of my family past and present has learned the life-altering realities and chaos of war; how things aren't so simple as they often seem and we're taught when we're younger.  In the rear-view mirror of history, on country roads far away from where napalm and other horrifying forces are dropped, War & State-sponsored violence is rationalized and justified as having purely necessary, righteous, and just aims whether that be to save women and children; to save the world/populations from evil dictators and/or poisonous ideologies. The reality is that there’s a long and deep documented record of the truly held rationale and reasons for such actions as evidenced by the direct spoken or written words of those responsible for designing, commanding, and/or profiting from such endeavors. That record includes private and public memos, telegrams, journals, accounts of conversations, meetings, investigative journalism reports, leaked official documentation, etc.

What that long body of work illustrates is that as is in the case of Vietnam and numerous other “Wars” the true held rationale and reason for such actions are primarily to satisfy Global Corporate Interests, War-Machine Profiteering, the Display of Military Might & to Send messages to other Imperial powers, Resource Extraction, Group Supremacy, Xenophobia and hatred of the other, Geopolitical Dominance, and an ahistorical understand of others amongst other things. It’s only prior, during, and after the fact that socially accepted rationalizations and justifications are engineered to pacify the minds of the masses that might dissent against such actions if they the true nature of things.

 

To a few of your more specific points:

1.)    The calculus for Vietnam was not, “We’ve seen the scourge of communism and the human costs it has wrought around the world so we must undergo the noble and righteous cause of defeating such evils before the spread around the world” as you allude to. That’s what we’ve surely been taught and what’s popularized in film, but the real reasons as stated by the architects of the war were to first defend French Colonialism, its profiteering, and continued rule and domination of Vietnam and its people from the movement for Vietnamese independence from French rule.

 

2.)    There’s a long history that can be discovered in leaked official government documents and private memos and public comments (Pentagon Papers, Gulf of Tonkin Report, etc.) that clearly illustrates that it began as a war of reprisal for various Vietnamese groups rebelling against French Colonial rule, it continued as a means to primarily display our military might and power to the rest of the Imperial world order, and reached it height motivated by xenophobic beliefs about brown Vietnamese people as uncivilized savages in the minds of the architects and profiteers of such wars. Along the way false flag events like the Gulf of Tonkin were fabricated to justify war to the population and before all was said and done over 60,000 Americans lost their lives  and 4,000,000 Vietnamese of which most civilians were killed via napalm, agent orange, fire-bombing of villages, and/or war-related deaths.

 

3.)    There’s a huge difference between Forms of Government Power Allocation like Democracy, Autocracy, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Theocracy, Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism, and Dictatorship –VERSUS— Forms of Life Resources Allocation (Economic Systems) like Socialism, Capitalism, and/or Communism concentrated in State, Private Entities, or Social Cooperatives, etc. We’ve all been taught to speak of the Forms of Government as if they aret he Forms of Resources Allocation, but the two historically aren’t the same. As such, most countries we’ve been taught were “bad” Communist weren’t communist at all but Authoritarian-Capitalist -Oligarchies who were communist in name only where a select few Capitalize and extract inequitable power and wealth on the backs of the labor of the many. In the same way one can’t group the Russian Holomodor or Stalin in with Castro/Cuba, Mao/China, and the Kim’s in Korea. The flow of history in those countries is about a wide-array of different variables most of which have nothing to do with the word we’ve been taught to associate with those situations.

 

4.)    The comment about other “communist countries,” “murdering and jailing their people” is always an interesting one in comparison to the mass murder of indigenous people, chattel slavery prisons and tombs, murdering and imprisoning during the reconstruction era up through Jim Crow to the present day and along the way interesting things like mass imprisonment and murder to turn Mexico into entities known as California, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, etc. That and many other interesting treats of our government’s interesting existence.

 

5.)    The forgotten war/Korean War has its roots when Kim Il-sung (Kim Jung-Il’s father) began armed resistance against the Japanese occupation of Manchuria and Korea. Our country’s government then decided that for geopolitical strategic reasons and dominance at the top of the new forming world Empire order that it was better that Japan maintain its economic dominance over parts of Asia, including Korea, or at least the Southern half in order to prevent Korea from becoming a rising independent geopolitical force in Asia that could rival US, French, and Japanese economic strangleholds on the regions. As a result, our country’s government partitioned and divided Korea into a North & South region separating families, empowering terrible leaders that ensured conflict and violence in the region. Subsequently, every city and town in the North was flattened via napalm and fire-bombing and many in the South such according to US generals and military officers’ reports “no building left was two stories high and whole towns of people looked like Pompeii.” In the end, over 2 million civilians died as did 37,000 US soldiers. As designed and planned, there was no discrimination of civilian targets because of the xenophobic motivations for such bombings as described in a wide variety of investigative journalism and leaked official government telegraphs and memos. In the wake of the rubble, chaos, loss of total infrastructure, and mass depression, the popular political forces and social institutions that moderated the Kim’s autocratic rule were totally wiped out leaving the now hardened Kim’s to enjoy full spectrum control of the country’s institutions which interestingly enough was one of the goals of the war in the first place as it would legitimize a permanent presence in the region. We’ve seen that confirmed as true up until present day.

 

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27 minutes ago, Mind Character said:


... a fresh shave and tattoo have we ...

... You sick sick son of a b*****...

.. when they find out about you and your "male friend" it's going to get rough ... 

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*friends

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31 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

 

I wish I read your gargantuan post. tl;dr, though, unfortunately 😢. But if I had, I would say that you illustrate the near black-and-white of it but that the world has been ensorceled through the media/textbooks to only take one event seriously, and that is the Holocaust.

Even if they had read what you wrote, 9/10, generally rounding up, would shrug and maybe even think you're lying. "Yeah, Vetnam was probably a bad idea in hindsight." "Cuba was actually a Utopia." "These places needed saving." <--from the greatest hits collection.

I mean, we can't even agree that letting Schwartz walk really wasn't a huge mistake, as literally no one in the league, including the Chiefs, thought he'd be this good once he left.

But yeah, wish I read it. 🤷‍♂️

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Mind has too much time on his hands.

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4 minutes ago, DawgX said:

Mind has too much time on his hands.

Adderall is hell of a drug 

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6 minutes ago, DawgX said:

Mind has too much time on his hands.

In before, "No, I actually word process at 37,836 wpm and write these novels in-between you puny mortals' breaths."

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1 hour ago, Mind Character said:

**(No one’s EVER going to read even a sentence of this… nor will it last long … and it feels good; the long post to end all long post…. drank a ton of coffee and rather zone out on this than be attentive in the nails on chalkboard personal misconduct & harassment HR meeting … helped me blow through the monotony and now I’m 7 minutes from lunch for the win)**

 

ShorttermCarefulAmphiuma-size_restricted

 

giphy-downsized-large.gif

 

Your points raise a fascinating discussion imo regarding the stark contrast between the actual motivations, reasoning, and rationale used by those in power and in government for decisions on war force according to their own words and the rationalizations and justifications created to pacify the mass public.

Ultimately, there’s a lot of untruths, generalizations, and ahistorical assumptions to your points.

The Key:  A major portion of my family past and present has learned the life-altering realities and chaos of war; how things aren't so simple as they often seem and we're taught when we're younger.  In the rear-view mirror of history, on country roads far away from where napalm and other horrifying forces are dropped, War & State-sponsored violence is rationalized and justified as having purely necessary, righteous, and just aims whether that be to save women and children; to save the world/populations from evil dictators and/or poisonous ideologies. The reality is that there’s a long and deep documented record of the truly held rationale and reasons for such actions as evidenced by the direct spoken or written words of those responsible for designing, commanding, and/or profiting from such endeavors. That record includes private and public memos, telegrams, journals, accounts of conversations, meetings, investigative journalism reports, leaked official documentation, etc.

What that long body of work illustrates is that as is in the case of Vietnam and numerous other “Wars” the true held rationale and reason for such actions are primarily to satisfy Global Corporate Interests, War-Machine Profiteering, the Display of Military Might & to Send messages to other Imperial powers, Resource Extraction, Group Supremacy, Xenophobia and hatred of the other, Geopolitical Dominance, and an ahistorical understand of others amongst other things. It’s only prior, during, and after the fact that socially accepted rationalizations and justifications are engineered to pacify the minds of the masses that might dissent against such actions if they the true nature of things.

 

To a few of your more specific points:

1.)    The calculus for Vietnam was not, “We’ve seen the scourge of communism and the human costs it has wrought around the world so we must undergo the noble and righteous cause of defeating such evils before the spread around the world” as you allude to. That’s what we’ve surely been taught and what’s popularized in film, but the real reasons as stated by the architects of the war were to first defend French Colonialism, its profiteering, and continued rule and domination of Vietnam and its people from the movement for Vietnamese independence from French rule.

 

2.)    There’s a long history that can be discovered in leaked official government documents and private memos and public comments (Pentagon Papers, Gulf of Tonkin Report, etc.) that clearly illustrates that it began as a war of reprisal for various Vietnamese groups rebelling against French Colonial rule, it continued as a means to primarily display our military might and power to the rest of the Imperial world order, and reached it height motivated by xenophobic beliefs about brown Vietnamese people as uncivilized savages in the minds of the architects and profiteers of such wars. Along the way false flag events like the Gulf of Tonkin were fabricated to justify war to the population and before all was said and done over 60,000 Americans lost their lives  and 4,000,000 Vietnamese of which most civilians were killed via napalm, agent orange, fire-bombing of villages, and/or war-related deaths.

 

3.)    There’s a huge difference between Forms of Government Power Allocation like Democracy, Autocracy, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Plutocracy, Theocracy, Authoritarianism, Totalitarianism, and Dictatorship –VERSUS— Forms of Life Resources Allocation (Economic Systems) like Socialism, Capitalism, and/or Communism concentrated in State, Private Entities, or Social Cooperatives, etc. We’ve all been taught to speak of the Forms of Government as if they aret he Forms of Resources Allocation, but the two historically aren’t the same. As such, most countries we’ve been taught were “bad” Communist weren’t communist at all but Authoritarian-Capitalist -Oligarchies who were communist in name only where a select few Capitalize and extract inequitable power and wealth on the backs of the labor of the many. In the same way one can’t group the Russian Holomodor or Stalin in with Castro/Cuba, Mao/China, and the Kim’s in Korea. The flow of history in those countries is about a wide-array of different variables most of which have nothing to do with the word we’ve been taught to associate with those situations.

 

4.)    The comment about other “communist countries,” “murdering and jailing their people” is always an interesting one in comparison to the mass murder of indigenous people, chattel slavery prisons and tombs, murdering and imprisoning during the reconstruction era up through Jim Crow to the present day and along the way interesting things like mass imprisonment and murder to turn Mexico into entities known as California, Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, etc. That and many other interesting treats of our government’s interesting existence.

 

5.)    The forgotten war/Korean War has its roots when Kim Il-sung (Kim Jung-Il’s father) began armed resistance against the Japanese occupation of Manchuria and Korea. Our country’s government then decided that for geopolitical strategic reasons and dominance at the top of the new forming world Empire order that it was better that Japan maintain its economic dominance over parts of Asia, including Korea, or at least the Southern half in order to prevent Korea from becoming a rising independent geopolitical force in Asia that could rival US, French, and Japanese economic strangleholds on the regions. As a result, our country’s government partitioned and divided Korea into a North & South region separating families, empowering terrible leaders that ensured conflict and violence in the region. Subsequently, every city and town in the North was flattened via napalm and fire-bombing and many in the South such according to US generals and military officers’ reports “no building left was two stories high and whole towns of people looked like Pompeii.” In the end, over 2 million civilians died as did 37,000 US soldiers. As designed and planned, there was no discrimination of civilian targets because of the xenophobic motivations for such bombings as described in a wide variety of investigative journalism and leaked official government telegraphs and memos. In the wake of the rubble, chaos, loss of total infrastructure, and mass depression, the popular political forces and social institutions that moderated the Kim’s autocratic rule were totally wiped out leaving the now hardened Kim’s to enjoy full spectrum control of the country’s institutions which interestingly enough was one of the goals of the war in the first place as it would legitimize a permanent presence in the region. We’ve seen that confirmed as true up until present day.

 

I just had a college flashback. Made me shudder.

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Do we know if Van Pelt is the QB coach, too? That's the last position to fill on offense and I've heard literally nothing about it.

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6 minutes ago, MarkPrice25 said:

Do we know if Van Pelt is the QB coach, too? That's the last position to fill on offense and I've heard literally nothing about it.

Not sure. I'm still holding out hope for Scangarello.

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1 hour ago, DawgX said:

Not sure. I'm still holding out hope for Scangarello.

Same.

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1 hour ago, DawgX said:

Not sure. I'm still holding out hope for Scangarello.

This 

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1 hour ago, DawgX said:

Not sure. I'm still holding out hope for Scangarello.

That’s a lot of cooks on the kitchens. you’d have a lot of former play callers from last year on the staff.

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