Stefanski’s staff

[NudeTayne]

2 hours ago, bruceb said:

Seems Mayfield is more like this guy:

 

Agreed: Baker IS one of the greatest to ever play his sport.

[Mind Character]

13 hours ago, buno67 said:

But like you just said, Marty required it. Wasn’t Brees going out of his way like people are killing baker over. Maybe Stef will have him work with someone, who knows 

We disagree on the central point of this discussion.

That is, the reason why Baker's stance on the matter is worthy of criticism is because Unlike Drew Brees 18 years ago Baker Mayfield has the amazing benefit of 4 critically important things that should be guiding his decisions on off-season QB training:

1.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of proven off-season skills and sports performance development blueprints and examples of some of the greatest QBs of all time (i.e., Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning) (Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford) who have thrived in the current iteration of the game and current sports science/performance era.

2.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of the successful blue-prints of his successful young peers (i.e., Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Lamar Jackson, and Dak Prescott) all of which utilize QB trainers (and even people recording their feet as Baker dislikes) and QB skills athletic sports performance agencies to help them improve.

3.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of having access to dozens of QB Athletic Sports Performance & Skills Development agencies like 3DQB, QB Summit, QB Country, George Whitfield QB School, Athlete Performance Enhancement Center, etc. Out of the dozens out there, one certainly would fit and mesh with Baker's particular beliefs on Quarterbacking.

4.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of the evolution and collective knowledge of sports science and  elite QB athletic performance industry and its impact on the game, as well as the technological advancements that aid sports performance. Players even at the high school level are expose to QB training help unlike Brees' era.

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Even still at least up to this point, it's Baker preference in public statements not to seek out known helpful external expertise on QB skills development.

While it's true that Brees was a 2nd year player that benefited from his Head Coaches guiding him to seek off-season help early on his career, the truth of the matter is we live in a different world than that time one where Baker unlike Brees has been exposed to too much to simply dismiss or be ignorant potential help. The game itself has changed tremendously as well so to has the art and science of quarterbacking, skills development, nutrition, and sports performance and recovery.

People aren't "killing Baker" because; he's criticized because he doesn't elite athletic characteristics but still rejects the blueprints of growth his successful peers utilize to accelerate their growth which gives off the perception that he's lagging behind not only in his skills development trajectories but more importantly in his growth mindset necessary to sustain greatness at the NFL level.

What is... is not always. We shall see how Baker's attitudes adjust throughout his career, but a rigid mindset against seeking QB Training help in the off-season is especially problematic given the day and age we live in and the knowledge/resources that comes with relative to when Brees was first starting out in the league.

Edited February 7, 2020 by Mind Character

[mistakey]

seems like a good risk to take

[therealwiseman]

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/49ers-chris-kiffin-joining-joe-woods-as-browns-defensive-line-coach.html

I like the hire. With a few more pieces in places I think we could have a better line than the niners had this past year. 
 

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by therealwiseman

[brooks1957]

Brooksie approves.

Looking at the Niners D-Line, and thinking what could be in store with Myles and Co - this move is badass.

[MSURacerDT55]

25 minutes ago, therealwiseman said:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/49ers-chris-kiffin-joining-joe-woods-as-browns-defensive-line-coach.html

I like the hire. With a few more pieces in places I think we could have a better line than the niners had this past year. 
 

 

Yeah, no....we can be really good but they had to interior studs, we don't have that, we have a couple of good guys but not studs

 

[FGK]

1 hour ago, mistakey said:

seems like a good risk to take

I'm stoked about it. Woods was there, he knows who was responsible for what and who contributed where. Love the move.

[mtmmike]

2 hours ago, Mind Character said:

We disagree on the central point of this discussion.

That is, the reason why Baker's stance on the matter is worthy of criticism is because Unlike Drew Brees 18 years ago Baker Mayfield has the amazing benefit of 4 critically important things that should be guiding his decisions on off-season QB training:

1.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of proven off-season skills and sports performance development blueprints and examples of some of the greatest QBs of all time (i.e., Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning) (Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford) who have thrived in the current iteration of the game and current sports science/performance era.

2.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of the successful blue-prints of his successful young peers (i.e., Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, Lamar Jackson, and Dak Prescott) all of which utilize QB trainers (and even people recording their feet as Baker dislikes) and QB skills athletic sports performance agencies to help them improve.

3.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of having access to dozens of QB Athletic Sports Performance & Skills Development agencies like 3DQB, QB Summit, QB Country, George Whitfield QB School, Athlete Performance Enhancement Center, etc. Out of the dozens out there, one certainly would fit and mesh with Baker's particular beliefs on Quarterbacking.

4.) Unlike Brees 18 years ago, Baker has the benefit of the evolution and collective knowledge of sports science and  elite QB athletic performance industry and its impact on the game, as well as the technological advancements that aid sports performance. Players even at the high school level are expose to QB training help unlike Brees' era.

------------------------

Even still at least up to this point, it's Baker preference in public statements not to seek out known helpful external expertise on QB skills development.

While it's true that Brees was a 2nd year player that benefited from his Head Coaches guiding him to seek off-season help early on his career, the truth of the matter is we live in a different world than that time one where Baker unlike Brees has been exposed to too much to simply dismiss or be ignorant potential help. The game itself has changed tremendously as well so to has the art and science of quarterbacking, skills development, nutrition, and sports performance and recovery.

People aren't "killing Baker" because; he's criticized because he doesn't elite athletic characteristics but still rejects the blueprints of growth his successful peers utilize to accelerate their growth which gives off the perception that he's lagging behind not only in his skills development trajectories but more importantly in his growth mindset necessary to sustain greatness at the NFL level.

What is... is not always. We shall see how Baker's attitudes adjust throughout his career, but a rigid mindset against seeking QB Training help in the off-season is especially problematic given the day and age we live in and the knowledge/resources that comes with relative to when Brees was first starting out in the league.

The reality of this is this

3rd year qb on 3rd offensive coordinator almost never succeed

2the head coach we hired has less qualifications then the coach we hired

Last year

Anyways look at the analytics on those 2 statements 

Edited February 7, 2020 by mtmmike
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[ReggieCamp]

4 hours ago, mistakey said:

seems like a good risk to take

Just realized he's Monte Kiffin's son (and Lane Kiffin's bro).

[buno67]

5 hours ago, therealwiseman said:

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02/49ers-chris-kiffin-joining-joe-woods-as-browns-defensive-line-coach.html

I like the hire. With a few more pieces in places I think we could have a better line than the niners had this past year. 
 

 

Yeah no IMO Bosa played as well as Garrett, maybe a tick better. Their interior guys are head and shoulders better than ours. A few more pieces would have to involve making a move like signing Clowney or trading for a big name 

[NudeTayne]

1 hour ago, buno67 said:

Yeah no IMO Bosa played as well as Garrett, maybe a tick better. Their interior guys are head and shoulders better than ours. A few more pieces would have to involve making a move like signing Clowney or trading for a big name 

Welp, all good things must inevitably come to an end. 

[DizzyDean]

1 hour ago, buno67 said:

Yeah no IMO Bosa played as well as Garrett, maybe a tick better. Their interior guys are head and shoulders better than ours. A few more pieces would have to involve making a move like signing Clowney or trading for a big name 

Their front 4 is light years better than ours, both starters and depth.  I love Garrett, like Ogunjobi and Richardson, meh on Vernon.

for starters we have 25% of the winning formula that the 9ers used up front last year.

if we somehow landed the other 75% then the guys pushed down to depth would make up that difference.  We also desperately need an elite run stuffing dt in the rotation.  That would help tremendously since landing that other 75% right off the bat in year 1 is highly unlikely.

[brownie man]

37 minutes ago, DizzyDean said:

Their front 4 is light years better than ours, both starters and depth.  I love Garrett, like Ogunjobi and Richardson, meh on Vernon.

for starters we have 25% of the winning formula that the 9ers used up front last year.

if we somehow landed the other 75% then the guys pushed down to depth would make up that difference.  We also desperately need an elite run stuffing dt in the rotation.  That would help tremendously since landing that other 75% right off the bat in year 1 is highly unlikely.

Any chance Armstread can get free?

[NudeTayne]

15 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Any chance Armstread can get free?

Meh. Him and Clowney are both gonna have awful contracts by the end of two seasons from now.

Edited February 8, 2020 by NudeTayne

[therealwiseman]

6 hours ago, buno67 said:

Yeah no IMO Bosa played as well as Garrett, maybe a tick better. Their interior guys are head and shoulders better than ours. A few more pieces would have to involve making a move like signing Clowney or trading for a big name 

 Or we could get guys like Covington, Fowler, Brockers, Nassib (yes, I think it would benefit him and us if he came back). There are many ways we can go and I am excited to see where it takes us.

What I do know is that Garrett will come back with a vengeance next year and Ogunjobi will just get better. Part of the foundation is there and we will only get better.

 

 

RIP Swagger