DannyB Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, TheGame316 said: It doesn't work against them at all figuratively. It just gets noticed more when the "MVP" either plays poorly or gets bounced from the playoffs Figuratively? Or literally? So you're saying is that there really is nothing "curse"-like about it, or anything that is actually making them more likely to lose. It's just random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, DannyB said: Figuratively? Or literally? So you're saying is that there really is nothing "curse"-like about it, or anything that is actually making them more likely to lose. It's just random. Look at it this way Is the team with the best record 100% the best team in terms of record? Yes Are they actually the "Best team" - possible, but not 100% The fact is they can 100% have the best record, but there odds of actually winning the Superbowl would only maybe be 30%, given 11 other teams in the playoffs, but despite having the best record, there still is a lot of formidable competition Same thing with MVP's - The odds, no matter how good they are, or how good their team is they are on, are still not in their favor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheGame316 said: Look at it this way Is the team with the best record 100% the best team in terms of record? Yes Are they actually the "Best team" - possible, but not 100% The fact is they can 100% have the best record, but there odds of actually winning the Superbowl would only maybe be 30%, given 11 other teams in the playoffs, but despite having the best record, there still is a lot of formidable competition Same thing with MVP's - The odds, no matter how good they are, or how good their team is they are on, are still not in their favor Yes thanks I know that. I feel like you don't understand my point or something. It's like you're answering something different than I'm asking. You think the reason an MVP hasn't won the Super Bowl is, basically random chance. That's a fine answer, let's just stick with that. I tend to agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 hours ago, ShupacTakur said: It's just a wacky coincidence. Kinda like the Madden curse or the super bowl loser missing the playoffs the following year curse. It's not really a thing, sports fans are just superstitious by nature. When does it become a thing and not coincidence, curious? Year 30? Its occured 13 times in 63 years. Not since 1999. It's not superstition. It's a trend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, DannyB said: Yes thanks I know that. I feel like you don't understand my point or something. It's like you're answering something different than I'm asking. You think the reason an MVP hasn't won the Super Bowl is, basically random chance. That's a fine answer, let's just stick with that. I tend to agree. It's not that it's random, it's just that the odds are not in their favour to do so. Being MVP does not ordain them any kind of advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The salary cap is the great equalizer. Sure, it’s still nice to have an mvp-caliber QB, but if he’s taking up an mvp amount of cap space, that mitigates the advantage they provide and it limits how much talent will be on the rest of the roster. If you look at it statistically, even MVP QB’s often lose like 25% of their games in the reg. season. So if you assume they have an average win rate of 75%, even if they have a bye, the odds of them going 3-0 in 3 games is 0.75*0.75*0.75= 42.3% (& odds drop to 31.2% if the have to go 4-0). And their win-rate against *playoff-caliber* teams is probably quite a bit less than 75%, so the real percentages are even lower than that. Not to mention that the odds will drop even more if he is playing on the road instead of at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) MVP's don't win Super Bowls because the NFL is the ultimate TEAM sport and the playoffs are a completely different animal compared the regular season, so it's easier for players to perform at their highest in the reg season without the same amount of pressure there are the playoffs. Just my opinion. Edited January 14, 2020 by JustAnotherFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMcC2018 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just more circumstance and luck than anything else. Looking at that list there are at least 5 or 6 instances where just a play here or there would have seen the MVP also win the Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 As usual there are several factors here: 1. If you are a great player on a balanced Elite team - you won’t win MVP if there’s another great player on a more unbalanced team that relies on that other guy (Brady vs. Manning). Balanced teams generally do better in the playoffs. 2. The MVP is pretty much always a QB and / or O player. Great D’s can negate those players in 1 do or die game (SEA vs. Peyton, DEN vs. Cam). 3. Coaching makes a much bigger difference in games between evenly matched teams. This year is an outlier in which the Coach of Year & MVP could be on the same team. Great coaching staffs on good teams can isolate 1 great player and often reduce their impact. And it’s far easier to take out 1 great player on an O than it is on more balanced teams. It’s not always all 3 reasons above sometimes it’s 1, or a combo. But they all factor in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Because usually they get MVP for elevating a crappy team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShupacTakur Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: When does it become a thing and not coincidence, curious? Year 30? Its occured 13 times in 63 years. Not since 1999. It's not superstition. It's a trend! There is no magical force that prohibits MVP's from winning the super bowl. It is a trend, but it's also fairy dust. Winning the super bowl is hard. Winning the MVP is hard. Winning both in the same season is very, very, very hard. However, it will eventually happen again. Edited January 14, 2020 by ShupacTakur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotun_Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 If you use the earlier example of 16 playoff contenders it's a 15/16 chance that the MVP is not on the eventual champ team. Odds of that happening 20 years in a row is about 27%. Going this length of time is strange but not exceptionally so in my mind. If you want to limit it to just playoff teams its closer to 18%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: When does it become a thing and not coincidence, curious? Year 30? Its occured 13 times in 63 years. Not since 1999. It's not superstition. It's a trend! That's not how probability works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, ShupacTakur said: 18 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: When does it become a thing and not coincidence, curious? Year 30? Its occured 13 times in 63 years. Not since 1999. It's not superstition. It's a trend! There is no magical force that prohibits MVP's from winning the super bowl. It is a trend, but it's also fairy dust. Winning the super bowl is hard. Winning the MVP is hard. Winning both in the same season is very, very, very hard. However, it will eventually happen again. Never said it wouldn't happen again but I'd rather go with the opposing odds of not having the League MVP and potentially winning the SB. There are many things in Sports that eventually will be achieved again, broken or finally accomplished! 2,000 yds Recieving 2,000 yds Rushing MVP- SB same season HC Winning a SB for two separate Teams Any number of , It will happen agains or for the first Time! Like it or not, it's still unlikely to occur. So why root for MVP, so you can be a Pioneer? I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 1:30 PM, Calamity_Cometh said: Teams heavily dependent on one player are not well balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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