ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, winitall said: Not a big baseball guy, but does Jim care about any of this? Without much knowledge of the Astros ownership, firing Lunhow and Hinch seems like more of a PR move than anything. Something that can be pointed to in order to say "Hey we did more than we had to because we care." Then, they can turn around and have Pete keep the status quo and quietly hire Lunhow as a "special advisor" in a year or two once the story dies down. You're getting at what my sarcasm was intended to get at. It seems at least obvious that Hinch would have resigned had asked, but you fire him to make a statement...only to immediately promote Luhnow's protege as a fill in the baseball ops? I don't think the Astros front office will change at all. Edited January 13, 2020 by ramssuperbowl99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dingo18287 said: Luhnow was a bum and needed to go. Kind of surprised about Hinch, but can understand needing to move on. With Alex Cora looking at a lengthy suspension, does he get let go as well? i think cora is gone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Texansfan713 said: i think cora is gone as well. The Red Sox have been looking for a reason to sell a bunch of trades and rebuild to fans all season. Cora is a dead man walking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, ramssuperbowl99 said: The Red Sox have been looking for a reason to sell a bunch of trades and rebuild to fans all season. Cora is a dead man walking. Pathetic Franchise IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, bigbadbuff said: Pathetic Franchise IMO Been one of the most flea-like offseasons in baseball history tbqh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livewire Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: The Red Sox have been looking for a reason to sell a bunch of trades and rebuild to fans all season. Cora is a dead man walking. Have fun rebuilding without your draft picks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I don't know how to analyze these penalties. I talked myself into believing that the Astros would only be fined money and maybe put in the IFA penalty box, as I have no faith in Manfred. As such, these penalties look much more severe. But I'm sure they aren't harsh enough in the grand scheme of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just saying, if they get dirt on Davey Martinez, then the last four world series are tainted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: I don't know how to analyze these penalties. I talked myself into believing that the Astros would only be fined money and maybe put in the IFA penalty box, as I have no faith in Manfred. As such, these penalties look much more severe. But I'm sure they aren't harsh enough in the grand scheme of things. Here's my rough breakdown, by category: Player Punishments I think you could argue Manfred needed to punish someone, but this gets really murky quickly, and the MLBPA is pretty much already in open strike mode. Having all of these go to grievances that would last into the offseason is not a good move, and I seriously think discipline that we'd consider appropriate would be an all out declaration of war to the MLBPA. In a vacuum, I'd say the players who moved the TV closer to the dugout, who hid the TV when Danny Farqhuar figured out what they were doing, and guys who were otherwise "ringleaders" probably deserve something. But even then, it's going to be like 25 games, and he realistically can't suspend the entire team. Overall, 'meh'. Beltran should have been punished though. He's not a player any more. Organization Punishments Realistically, $5MM and 2 years of draft picks is about as severe as you can reasonably predict. Enough to make cheating for a WS a bad move? Nope. But as much as you could expect. Individual Punishments Assuming Cora is banned for life, that will fit. If not, I'll be livid. He ran this show. Taubman gets nothing but thoughts and prayers from me. Realistically he wasn't that involved and basically got banned for generally being a ****head, but again, thoughts and prayers. Hinch for a year seems reasonable. He apologized, and his actions real time show that he wasn't for it, he just didn't do enough to stop it. A second chance here is defensible. Luhnow not getting banned for life is absurd. There was evidence he knew, he was uncooperative with investigators by saying he didn't in spite of other testimony, and it was his operation. Manfred's own warning said the manager and GM would have their spikes on heads unless this was issued, and instead Luhnow's assistant got banned for him. Complete garbage. tl;dr, the only thing really absent was a Luhnow banhammer Edited January 13, 2020 by ramssuperbowl99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Here's my rough breakdown, by category: Player Punishments I think you could argue Manfred needed to punish someone, but this gets really murky quickly, and the MLBPA is pretty much already in open strike mode. Having all of these go to grievances that would last into the offseason is not a good move, and I seriously think discipline that we'd consider appropriate would be an all out declaration of war to the MLBPA. In a vacuum, I'd say the players who moved the TV closer to the dugout, who hid the TV when Danny Farqhuar figured out what they were doing, and guys who were otherwise "ringleaders" probably deserve something. But even then, it's going to be like 25 games, and he realistically can't suspend the entire team. Overall, 'meh'. Beltran should have been punished though. He's not a player any more. Organization Punishments Realistically, $5MM and 2 years of draft picks is about as severe as you can reasonably predict. Enough to make cheating for a WS a bad move? Nope. But as much as you could expect. Individual Punishments Assuming Cora is banned for life, that will fit. If not, I'll be livid. He ran this show. Taubman gets nothing but thoughts and prayers from me. Realistically he wasn't that involved and basically got banned for generally being a ****head, but again, thoughts and prayers. Hinch for a year seems reasonable. He apologized, and his actions real time show that he wasn't for it, he just didn't do enough to stop it. A second chance here is defensible. Luhnow not getting banned for life is absurd. There was evidence he knew, he was uncooperative with investigators by saying he didn't in spite of other testimony, and it was his operation. Manfred's own warning said the manager and GM would have their spikes on heads unless this was issued, and instead Luhnow's assistant got banned for him. Complete garbage. tl;dr, the only thing really absent was a Luhnow banhammer So true. Coppolella has to be pretty pissed off right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical_Lions Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Sort of related: does anyone think the players of opposing teams try to get "revenge" in the form of hitting Astros with pitches or other methods? I expect some drama from others, especially those that lost in the postseason to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Not enough, but I thought they would get off lighter than this TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartica4Real Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Luhnow was the best GM in this team's history but sacking him was probably the right move. Hinch, meh. I liked him but the importance of a manager in baseball isn't nearly as big. Replacements will have big shoes to fill. Glad this thing is over, this entire scandal was depressing. Cora's next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartica4Real Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 We taking bets on the team(s) to hire Luhnow and/or Hinch? We all know someone is going to do it in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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