tyler735 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 years ago, since the Saints were holding the Lombardi Trophy around this time 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetsujin Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 About the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) As a Browns fan, I hate it equally Edited January 16, 2020 by MWil23 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) Ten yrs. ago if I have to choose but I like both equally. Edited January 16, 2020 by tom cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 years ago wasn’t before they wussed the game down. I think it was about 10 years ago when they called defensive holding so much it was almost impossible to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolts223 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Outside the fact that my team was a consistent playoff team 10 years ago? About the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Tbh 10 years ago. It's such a different game now. Its exciting but some of the players back then, they were just on a different level imo. And of course as someone said, Pre-Goodell was nice, very nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 19 hours ago, Heinz D. said: You don't really understand what you're talking about, do you? From the username, I'm going to assume that you're a Pittsburgh fan. Doesn't matter if Mike Tomlin is white or black. That guy can't coach. Nothing more to it. Why did Dallas take Mike McCarthy over Marvin Lewis. Had nothing to do with skin color. He was a better coach by leagues and galaxies, and that's why Dallas took him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, RamblinMan99 said: From the username, I'm going to assume that you're a Pittsburgh fan. Doesn't matter if Mike Tomlin is white or black. That guy can't coach. Nothing more to it. Tomlin has major flaws (as do most coaches not named Belichick) , but making a blanket statement like that makes you look utterly clueless...supported more by the fact that you gave absolutely nothing to support your argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Yet here you are on a Football Forum, Probably playing Fantasy Football while watching NFL Football Games every single week like clock work. Have some of the new rules made it more of a Ticky Tac League, sure! However this next generation of Retired Players "shouldn't for the most part" have their bodies destroyed by Steroids and Concussions so we as fans can Celebrate "You Got Jacked Up" on Sports Center , like I Did. Watch friends Kill themselves do to a disease now diagnosed (CTE) because its actually being Studied, Documented and Treated Properly on a Play by Play -Game by Game basis instead of hey Smell this , get your A$$ back out there! You dont play the game and you sure as hell don't know what NFL players especially those Retired from the Glory Generations you wished still exists go through on a daily basis, just to walk, get dressed, hold their kids/grandkids, doing every day things Normal people like you or I take for grant it. If You don't like what you're watching, turn it off, switch channels go watch MMA to get your fix it's really that simple! No, I don't belong to any fantasy football league. I have no interest in that garbage whatsoever. And no, I don't get to see every game every week either. But, you're totally forgetting that there is a proper way to tackle in football. A lot of former pro football players instinctively knew how to tackle an offensive player. Jack Ham was one of them. Every tackle that guy made was a textbook tackle. Ham never tackled using his head. It doesn't have to be helmet-to-helmet contact all the time. The media has blown the idea of "unavoidable concussions due to helmet/helmet contact" out of proportion because they ultimately want to get rid of football for good. Why are so many former players out there doing just fine after years of getting bruised up in the NFL? Not all of them ended up that way because they simply knew how to play the game the safe way. The media loves to take a few examples and blow them up so everybody now thinks that every former player has it. Here's a reality check! OJ Simpson never had CTE. He's just crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) The Rooney rule is about trying to break up nepotism. You can argue about the efficacy of the Rooney rule, and that's definitely open for criticism. It's not about giving the Marvin Lewis' of the world another gig, it's about enabling young men the opportunity to impress old owners who are set in their ways and don't want to take a "risk". Even if one doesn't get the job, the quality of the interview gets out to others and the narrative shifts from nothing to "hey maybe this guy is better than you think". That interview can lead to more interviews in later years and eventually break through into a head coaching gig, that a minority coach wouldn't have a shot at because owners will pretty much always default to the safe option. The whole intention of the Rooney rule is not to force owners to hire minority coaches but to open the doors and allow more opportunities to them than old, conservative owners would normally allow for. Most owners are more than willing to accept the safe hire because they're more comfortable with it. Why are they more comfortable with those hires? Well, you'll have to read between the colored lines a bit. 35 minutes ago, RamblinMan99 said: From the username, I'm going to assume that you're a Pittsburgh fan. Doesn't matter if Mike Tomlin is white or black. That guy can't coach. Nothing more to it. Why did Dallas take Mike McCarthy over Marvin Lewis. Had nothing to do with skin color. He was a better coach by leagues and galaxies, and that's why Dallas took him. 1. Tomlin's a solid coach, though I don't think he's amazing. 2. Mike McCarthy being better than Marvin Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion. You're either being intentionally obtuse (ie operating in bad faith) or you're just flat out not understanding the issue at heart. Pick one. 3. What if there was a young position coach out there who had the potential to be one of the next all-time great head coaches? Dallas will never know because they instantly decided "Mike is our guy". The intention of the Rooney rule is to get guys like that opportunities to succeed. The Marvin Lewis' of the world are irrelevant. Most owners will instantly default to an experienced coach with a high floor but low ceiling, which enables the good ole boy country club kind of nepotism that defines the NFL. Edited January 16, 2020 by Hukos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 years ago - rule changes have diminished the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: Tomlin has major flaws (as do most coaches not named Belichick) , but making a blanket statement like that makes you look utterly clueless...supported more by the fact that you gave absolutely nothing to support your argument. To never have a losing season when you have had multiple 8-8 seasons is just glorifying an abysmal performance across multiple years. That's what ESPN loves to do. They love to overstate Mike Tomlin's coaching because he's "never had a losing season." Those seasons weren't necessarily winning seasons either. That's no different than winning the perfect attendance award in high school. Tomlin rode to the Super Bowl on Bill Cowher's team, and can't even get back to the Super Bowl once after all of those players were gone. He just does stupid things too. He cheats right on the field and doesn't care, then gets fined for it. He got fined again for talking about the referees at a press conference. The reason why Pittsburgh even had a remote shot at the postseason this year with a practice squad QB is because of Kevin Colbert, not Mike Tomlin. Colbert's had to make almost every big decision for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamblinMan99 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hukos said: The Rooney rule is about trying to break up nepotism. You can argue about the efficacy of the Rooney rule, and that's definitely open for criticism. It's not about giving the Marvin Lewis' of the world another gig, it's about enabling young men the opportunity to impress old owners who are set in their ways and don't want to take a "risk". Even if one doesn't get the job, the quality of the interview gets out to others and the narrative shifts from nothing to "hey maybe this guy is better than you think". That interview can lead to more interviews in later years and eventually break through into a head coaching gig, that a minority coach wouldn't have a shot at because owners will pretty much always default to the safe option. The whole intention of the Rooney rule is not to force owners to hire minority coaches but to open the doors and allow more opportunities to them than old, conservative owners would normally allow for. Most owners are more than willing to accept the safe hire because they're more comfortable with it. Why are they more comfortable with those hires? Well, you'll have to read between the colored lines a bit. 1. Tomlin's a solid coach, though I don't think he's amazing. 2. Mike McCarthy being better than Marvin Lewis is irrelevant to this discussion. You're either being intentionally obtuse (ie operating in bad faith) or you're just flat out not understanding the issue at heart. Pick one. 3. What if there was a young position coach out there who had the potential to be one of the next all-time great head coaches? Dallas will never know because they instantly decided "Mike is our guy". The intention of the Rooney rule is to get guys like that opportunities to succeed. The Marvin Lewis' of the world are irrelevant. Most owners will instantly default to an experienced coach with a high floor but low ceiling, which enables the good ole boy country club kind of nepotism that defines the NFL. You are intentionally trying to sugarcoat what the Rooney Rule really is, and you're also ignoring how it actually became a part of the league. The Rooney Rule is a form of affirmative action that establishes a predilection for African Americans within the interview process. Yes, the teams don't have to hire them over coaches of other ethnicity (hence, why the majority of the NFL's coaches are still white). But, they have to check mark the box of bringing in a black candidate for the interview. That was established as a direct response to the firing of two black coaches in 2002. You are trying to cover the facts by saying the rule's intention is to give the quarterbacks coach a chance over the experienced head coach with multiple postseason appearances. The authors of the Rooney Rule and Art Rooney II himself aren't going to openly admit that the rule is designed around affirmative action, but it is. It's not about giving the guy with assistant level experience consideration over the Super Bowl winning coach. The rule is entirely about skin color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, RamblinMan99 said: The authors of the Rooney Rule and Art Rooney II himself aren't going to openly admit that the rule is designed around affirmative action, but it is. This sounds dangerously close to a dog whistle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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