AlexGreen#20 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, skibrett15 said: did they really average 1 RB? Thought Juscyzyk played a lot That was the Vikings and the Seahawks. Our opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 the one-sidedness and stubborness of the personnel and gameplan was pretty embarassing. The offense was not good and turned the ball over, but this defense let a team run the ball (yes, some were exotic runs) for 4 straight quarters without entertaining a different approach from a playcall or personnel perspective. It was exactly how the eagles loss played out - dare them to run, and be willing to lose if they are willing to run the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaye50327 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think Pettine needs to go. IMO he isn't that good as a DC. I don't think the defense was that good either all season except for the Smiths and maybe 1 or 2 others. This GB defense feasted off of weak offensive teams and played mediocre against good offensive teams with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 games. The real question is are they going to waste even more of Rodgers time by bad defensive play like they did with Capers and keep mediocre players around or are they going to make some real changes/additions this off season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: the one-sidedness and stubborness of the personnel and gameplan was pretty embarassing. The offense was not good and turned the ball over, but this defense let a team run the ball (yes, some were exotic runs) for 4 straight quarters without entertaining a different approach from a playcall or personnel perspective. It was exactly how the eagles loss played out - dare them to run, and be willing to lose if they are willing to run the ball. The insistence of 4 DBs against 22 personnel will baffle me to the end. The refusal to adjust gap responsibilities outside of the OLB/ILB contain assignment in response to motion will similarly never be understood. Pettine got grossly outcoached, but this was an entire team collapse. Lowry and Lancaster were both worse than useless. I would have said that we should bench them but the one rep that I saw from Adams was so ghastly I'm convinced he would have somehow been a downgrade. The saddest part of this game might have been that the 49ers had a Goodson package that they barely broke into after the first quarter. That long first down to Emmanuel Sanders was absolutely pathetic. Martinez looked absolutely lost as he couldn't figure out what was coming and his DL collapsed around him. Savage and Amos were so damn scared of the playaction that they weren't shooting gaps and letting RBs get to them with a full head of steam all the way downfield. Tramon, Jaire, and King were routinely run off and blocked by the 49ers WRs. I don't even know where to go with this. Amazingly our offense might have somehow been worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaye50327 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: the one-sidedness and stubborness of the personnel and gameplan was pretty embarassing. The offense was not good and turned the ball over, but this defense let a team run the ball (yes, some were exotic runs) for 4 straight quarters without entertaining a different approach from a playcall or personnel perspective. It was exactly how the eagles loss played out - dare them to run, and be willing to lose if they are willing to run the ball. Literally all the millions of people watching the game knew the 49ers were going to run the ball during the game except for the Packers defense and coach. It gets to a point to just sell out on the run every play and force Jimmy to beat you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: The insistence of 4 DBs against 22 personnel will baffle me to the end. The refusal to adjust gap responsibilities outside of the OLB/ILB contain assignment in response to motion will similarly never be understood. Pettine got grossly outcoached, but this was an entire team collapse. Lowry and Lancaster were both worse than useless. I would have said that we should bench them but the one rep that I saw from Adams was so ghastly I'm convinced he would have somehow been a downgrade. The saddest part of this game might have been that the 49ers had a Goodson package that they barely broke into after the first quarter. That long first down to Emmanuel Sanders was absolutely pathetic. Martinez looked absolutely lost as he couldn't figure out what was coming and his DL collapsed around him. Savage and Amos were so damn scared of the playaction that they weren't shooting gaps and letting RBs get to them with a full head of steam all the way downfield. Tramon, Jaire, and King were routinely run off and blocked by the 49ers WRs. I don't even know where to go with this. Amazingly our offense might have somehow been worse. Feel like this all starts with the DL. The Smith's were great in the pressure package all year. SF simply ran it against that and got huge chunks of yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 When is the last time a team could have won by not throwing a single pass ? I gotta stop thinking about this game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwaye50327 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, cannondale said: When is the last time a team could have won by not throwing a single pass ? I gotta stop thinking about this game I'm pretty sure the Titans could have done it the first two playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalenaPackFan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I feel like this is a Scorpion and the Frog type thing. (Scorpion stings Frog, Why?, That's who I am) Pettine is who he is. When Pettine came on board, there were two things: KILL and 'The pass will be the emphasis because you can lose faster that way'. The KILL seems to have worked. I don't remember seeing players pointing at each other because of communication issues (which seemed to happen frequently under Capers). And the emphasis on stopping the pass would be a good strategy if the Packers had the AR led offense that could stress another team by putting up 30-35 points a game. That has not happened and I'm not sure it will happen. What to expect out of the offense is a discussion for another thread. Bottom line, stopping the run is not in Pettine's wheelhouse. Gute needs to figure out how this Packers team is going to be built and make his decisions from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, GalenaPackFan said: I feel like this is a Scorpion and the Frog type thing. (Scorpion stings Frog, Why?, That's who I am) Pettine is who he is. When Pettine came on board, there were two things: KILL and 'The pass will be the emphasis because you can lose faster that way'. The KILL seems to have worked. I don't remember seeing players pointing at each other because of communication issues (which seemed to happen frequently under Capers). And the emphasis on stopping the pass would be a good strategy if the Packers had the AR led offense that could stress another team by putting up 30-35 points a game. That has not happened and I'm not sure it will happen. What to expect out of the offense is a discussion for another thread. Bottom line, stopping the run is not in Pettine's wheelhouse. Gute needs to figure out how this Packers team is going to be built and make his decisions from there. We need legitimate talent in a lot of spots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, CWood21 said: How many of our defensive starters start for San Francisco? Kenny Clark, the Smith's and probably Amos. San Francisco was the better team. Nothing wrong with that. Again, 49ers sucked for at least 5 years to get to this point. VERY high draft picks in every round for those years. For some teams like this one it worked so far but no Super Bowl yet. For most teams though it doesn't work. I for one am not ready to go 20-60 the next 5 years to get to try this method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalenaPackFan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We need legitimate talent in a lot of spots. Agree. Finding the occasional diamond in the rough undrafted player is great; liberally spreading them throughout the team is perhaps not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Ragnarok said: No. Keep both systems. Build on the lines. A general lack of talent was the issue. OL, DT, and TE. Draft those positions next year. Go from there. The Packers aren't bad enough to warrant a total rebuild. Don't forget WR. Beyond Davante and perhaps Lazard we are seriously lacking there. And from what I'm hearing this isn't the best draft for TEs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, CWood21 said: We finished 9th in PPG, but 15th in DVOA. And that's with some major holes on our defense. Isn't this an improvement over last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, spilltray said: I didn't specifically see a coordinator problem I saw a DL and ILB group get mauled. Other than Clark, the other interior players were just getting consistently blown out of their gaps. I see this as highlighting the need for DL and ILB rather than a damning indictment of Pettine. Maybe, maybe not. Point being, if you're getting your *** kicked don't you at least try something different. Did Pettine really believe he had the horses to stop that run game? If so, he has to go. At no time did that defense look like one that was trying to stop the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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