MacReady Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2019 - under 10% of the cap. (Niners under 10%, Chiefs under 5%) 2018 - Patriots 12.21% 2017 - Eagles .91% 2016 - 8.62 2015 - 11.66 2014 - 10.64 2013 - .56 2012 - 6.6 2011 - 11.7 2010 - (Uncapped year) 2009 - 8.3 2008 - 6.8 2007 - 9.2 2006 - 10.4 2005 - 4.9 2004 - 6.3 2003 - 4.4 2002 - 9.6 2001 - .47 2000 - 1.6 1999 - 1.3 1998 - 5.0 1997 - 5.2 1996 - 10.2 1995 - 6.7 1994 - 13.1 1994, Steve Young with the highest cap percentage to EVER win the Super Bowl. It just so happened the Niners cheated the salary cap that year and actually faced punishment for it. Why do people still think that once you get a QB you have to hold onto them when every single year you've got either Brady (who literally takes less than he's worth) or some QB on a rookie contract or some Nick Foles type to win a Super Bowl? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Wait? Are you suggesting that KC would be better off not paying Mahomes and letting him walk? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I feel like the only relevant data is from the past 10-15 years, but this is something I've been pondering for awhile. I have a similar theory, but I feel like any real hard conclusions that could be considered a blueprint to success have to wait until we're well clear of the Patriots dynasty. I feel like having the best modern coach ever and the GOAT QB willing to perpetually play at a reasonable contract throw the data off HARD. However, I think there may be something to this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 This has be more of correlation than a causation. Plenty of teams with high paid QBs come close and it comes down to coaching. Your telling me bad QB with a low cap hit should beat out the good QB with high cap hit? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, JustAnotherFan said: Wait? Are you suggesting that KC would be better off not paying Mahomes and letting him walk? Obviously not, but it might be in Mahomes best interest to take a pay cut. Though I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: Wait? Are you suggesting that KC would be better off not paying Mahomes and letting him walk? Lol, yeah. Of course not. I'm suggesting they trade him. Can you imagine what you would get if you traded Mahomes right now? I'm fully prepared for a veritable avalanche of hate for this opinion, but the Rams paid Goff, the Eagles paid Wentz, the Packers paid Rodgers, the Seahawks paid Wilson, the Steelers paid Roethlisberger... How many times will a team pay their QB? Up to 2007 it made sense. Now? It doesn't. Quarterbacks are busting at a lesser and lesser rate. Hell, the BROWNS have a franchise QB right now. The BILLS have a franchise QB. The RAVENS have a franchise QB. This is no longer pre-2007 where finding a franchise QB is impossible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, JustAnotherFan said: Wait? Are you suggesting that KC would be better off not paying Mahomes and letting him walk? Hahahaha! No, don't be ridiculous! You bow down to him and beg and plead for him to play for like $10 million per year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, Classic said: This has be more of correlation than a causation. Plenty of teams with high paid QBs come close and it comes down to coaching. Your telling me bad QB with a low cap hit should beat out the good QB with high cap hit? Jimmy Garroppolo just beat Aaron Rodgers by attempting less than a dozen passes when Rodgers had his best Championship game of his career. If you pay your QB less, you can pay the rest of your team more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) Just now, Classic said: This has be more of correlation than a causation. It's not. It doesn't happen for the past 30 years if it's more correlation. NBA teams can work when they pay 2, 3 players all the cap. The NFL cannot. You cannot win when you pay 1/53rd of your team 13% of the salary cap. Edited January 20, 2020 by Outpost31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 The message shouldn’t be “don’t pay your quarterback”. It should be “pay everyone else when you don’t have to pay your quarterback yet”. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Jimmy's cap hit is about 11% this year (10.6, I believe). But this is where structure comes into play. Remember, they did pay him. It was the biggest contract ever at the time. But he had a huge hit in year one with smaller ones after 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Brady taking a team-friendly deal skews the data. This is the wrong takeaway. But I'm all for other teams not paying their QBs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Its easy to cherry pick data with little context and act like it proves something, when in reality, it doesn't. If not for said QBs, most of those teams on that list wouldnt have ever made it to the SB in the first place. How about we look at teams success rates when they dont have a decent QB? People can bag on Garroppolo not throwing much all they want....without him, they wouldnt be SB team. Plain and simple. Patriots wouldnt have 6 SBs without Brady. They just got lucky that Tom married an uber rich model and he was willing to take less. You can still build good teams around highly paid QBs. Do you have to sacrifice some things? Sure, but the alternative is not any better. Id rather have Patrick Mahomes with less talent around the roster than say, Ryan Fitzpatrick and a lot more overall talent. Bottom line, its hard to make it to the SB, regardless of who the QB is. Its alot harder to make it WITHOUT one, and thats not even debatable. QB contracts are just getting out of hand, IMO. Thats the biggest issue. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Lol, yeah. Of course not. I'm suggesting they trade him. Can you imagine what you would get if you traded Mahomes right now? I'm fully prepared for a veritable avalanche of hate for this opinion, but the Rams paid Goff, the Eagles paid Wentz, the Packers paid Rodgers, the Seahawks paid Wilson, the Steelers paid Roethlisberger... How many times will a team pay their QB? Up to 2007 it made sense. Now? It doesn't. Quarterbacks are busting at a lesser and lesser rate. Hell, the BROWNS have a franchise QB right now. The BILLS have a franchise QB. The RAVENS have a franchise QB. This is no longer pre-2007 where finding a franchise QB is impossible. Yeah, KC would get a lot in return for Mahomes right now but none of them are guaranteed to work out. It's no secret that QB's are the most important player on the team and finding those good enough to take you the SB are super hard to find, and if you find them....you keep them. I think draft picks often get overrated at times and this is one of those cases, imo. I'll give you Goff, Wentz, and Wilson (since they were all obviously drafted since the rookie cap) but I don't think it's really fair to use Rodgers, Ben, and other QB's who came into the league prior to 2011. And lets not forgt, it's hard to win in this league and all of them have had success and without them they wouldn't have. I see where you're getting at here and there may be something to it. But I also think we may need some more time to really find out if it's worth blowing up an entire team and starting over with a rookie QB to build around for 4 years (5th year option). We haven't really had enough data yet. I know Pace is trying it right now with the Bears and so far it's not looking too good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, DannyB said: Hahahaha! No, don't be ridiculous! You bow down to him and beg and plead for him to play for like $10 million per year. And give him as much commercial space as he wants at your facility to start his own health business... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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