TheOnlyThing Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 49 minutes ago, DWhitehurst said: Listening to Bukowski, he suggests the gap is not that big between the Packers and 49ers. I'm not so optimistic, but he suggests we just need a good ILB and a good playmaker on offense. Agree with him, or disagree? The Packers certainly need at least one good ILB and a good playmaker or 2 or 3 on offense. They also need 1 or 2 defensive linemen. While the CURRENT gap between SF & GB is indeed significant, losses like yesterday can really have a lasting negative impact on even top flight rosters. Going to be an interesting offseason in the Bay Area. And there is going to be quite a bit of pressure on Shanahan and Garoppolo during the 2020 season in the very, very competitive NFC West division. If Gute gets work fixing the remaining, glaring roster holes, the Pack could bypass SF next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Any interest in Sammy Watkins? Sounds like he’ll be cut. More talent than Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Pack Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 This I got from an article about Agholor: PFF 2019: 124th out of 124 2018: 74th out of 108 2017: 35th out of 107 2016: 103rd out of 104 2015: 101st out of 101 Football Outsiders 2019: 66th out of 66 2018: 78th out of 84 2017: 32nd out of 86 2016: 88th out of 94 2015: 83rd out of 88 https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2019/11/19/20972456/nelson-agholor-worst-wide-receiver-nfl-week-11-eagles-pro-football-focus-pff-bench-cut-stats-grades 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brit Pack said: This I got from an article about Agholor: PFF 2019: 124th out of 124 2018: 74th out of 108 2017: 35th out of 107 2016: 103rd out of 104 2015: 101st out of 101 Football Outsiders 2019: 66th out of 66 2018: 78th out of 84 2017: 32nd out of 86 2016: 88th out of 94 2015: 83rd out of 88 https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2019/11/19/20972456/nelson-agholor-worst-wide-receiver-nfl-week-11-eagles-pro-football-focus-pff-bench-cut-stats-grades Yikes. I might be wrong. Or it could be his situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Yikes. I might be wrong. Or it could be his situation. Or that the 70th best WR is an average #3 WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 One guy I'm hoping the Packers don't buy into is Jordan Phillips. He had 9.5 sacks but if you look deeper, he only had about 25 pressures. In other words, he had a Kyler Fackrell year. Phillips was pretty pedestrian before 2019 and I'm guessing he'll return to that level after someone pays him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Yeah, I hate the whole "he sucks" thing with Agholor. He doesn't suck. He's very upset with Philadelphia, and I think he would do well here. I think the same thing with Xavier Rhodes. What a player is is not what they have to be or always will be. Micah Hyde, Casey Heyward and a bunch of other examples leaving the Packers ought to be proof enough of that. Nobody is expecting him to be a 100/1100/10 guy. He's absolutely capable of being a 50/600/8 guy though. Add that to our offense and our offense is better. We cannot go into 2020 with Adams/MVS/Lazard/1st or second round rookie. Micah Hyde and Casey Heywood were good and ( importantly) young with Green Bay. Heyward was a hell of a play maker but had chronic hammy issues on the bench and that's why GB let him go. Rhodes's physical abilities are clearly waning (30 years old next season). Agholor dosen't suck, but he's not that good either. I'd rather spend some more coin to get better value. I think you can draft another Agholor or one of guys you have on the roster can produce similar to what he can. Packers need another true #1/#2 WR not another #3/#4. Edited February 4, 2020 by Arthur Penske Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Yeah, I hate the whole "he sucks" thing with Agholor. He doesn't suck. He's very upset with Philadelphia, and I think he would do well here. I think the same thing with Xavier Rhodes. What a player is is not what they have to be or always will be. Micah Hyde, Casey Heyward and a bunch of other examples leaving the Packers ought to be proof enough of that. Nobody is expecting him to be a 100/1100/10 guy. He's absolutely capable of being a 50/600/8 guy though. Add that to our offense and our offense is better. We cannot go into 2020 with Adams/MVS/Lazard/1st or second round rookie. I have no clue what Agholor is going to get, but I have my suspicions it will look like Adam Humphries. That's a tough contract to give. 4/$36m with $19m gtd Unless he feels like he can bet on himself on a 1 year deal, but I don't see why he would Edited February 4, 2020 by JBURGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: One guy I'm hoping the Packers don't buy into is Jordan Phillips. He had 9.5 sacks but if you look deeper, he only had about 25 pressures. In other words, he had a Kyler Fackrell year. Phillips was pretty pedestrian before 2019 and I'm guessing he'll return to that level after someone pays him. He had 5 hurries/5 knockdowns/9.5 sacks That's not a Kyler Fackrell year: 6 hurries/1 knockdown/10.5 sacks Clark had 8 hurries/0 knockdowns/6 sacks, are his numbers also inflated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) I’m still hoping for Derek Wolfe. Super Bowl experience and he kicks puppies. Edited February 4, 2020 by Outpost31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: He had 5 hurries/5 knockdowns/9.5 sacks That's not a Kyler Fackrell year: 6 hurries/1 knockdown/10.5 sacks Clark had 8 hurries/0 knockdowns/6 sacks, are his numbers also inflated? How many pressures did Clark have? Also was Phillips facing the double teams Clark faced on a consistent basis? Phillips never had more than 2 sacks in a year prior to this year. He just had 9.5 with otherwise pedestrian numbers. I'd be questioning that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, packfanfb said: How many pressures did Clark have? Also was Phillips facing the double teams Clark faced on a consistent basis? Phillips never had more than 2 sacks in a year prior to this year. He just had 9.5 with otherwise pedestrian numbers. I'd be questioning that. 8 Yes Not saying you can't question it, just pointing out that the argument of "the pressures don't match the sack production" doesn't fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 hours ago, Brit Pack said: This I got from an article about Agholor: PFF 2019: 124th out of 124 2018: 74th out of 108 2017: 35th out of 107 2016: 103rd out of 104 2015: 101st out of 101 Football Outsiders 2019: 66th out of 66 2018: 78th out of 84 2017: 32nd out of 86 2016: 88th out of 94 2015: 83rd out of 88 https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2019/11/19/20972456/nelson-agholor-worst-wide-receiver-nfl-week-11-eagles-pro-football-focus-pff-bench-cut-stats-grades More proof that HE SUCKS!!! It's sad that some of you want to make excuses for him too. Oh it's his situation or oh he's unhappy. Some of y'all forget I actually live in Pennsylvania and I get the Iggles games. I've seen plenty from him; he's a shorter, faster Geronimo Allison with crappier hands. HE SUCKS!!! END OF CONVERSATION!!! 17 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Or that the 70th best WR is an average #3 WR We're looking for WR2. 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: One guy I'm hoping the Packers don't buy into is Jordan Phillips. He had 9.5 sacks but if you look deeper, he only had about 25 pressures. In other words, he had a Kyler Fackrell year. Phillips was pretty pedestrian before 2019 and I'm guessing he'll return to that level after someone pays him. Someone will: his current team. They're not letting him go; he's too important for their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Hey cheesehead nation, what's the feel you're getting involving the FO bringing back Bulaga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Just now, dtait93 said: Hey cheesehead nation, what's the feel you're getting involving the FO bringing back Bulaga? I think Bulaga is checked out as a Packer and won’t re-sign. Hopefully gets us a comp pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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