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2 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

He was really good last year. 

He's not going to sign a Lewis type of deal. You'll be talking 5 million would be my guess. Sullivan, Hollman and Jackson need to step up. If I'm the GM I can't do it, but look at what Jenkins got from NOLA. 

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1 minute ago, Golfman said:

He's not going to sign a Lewis type of deal. You'll be talking 5 million would be my guess. Sullivan, Hollman and Jackson need to step up. 

Agreed. We should've moved on from him before last year.

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3 minutes ago, Golfman said:

He's not going to sign a Lewis type of deal. You'll be talking 5 million would be my guess. Sullivan, Hollman and Jackson need to step up. 

We had 6 DBs on the field for 52% of snaps last year. You need 6 DBs before you start accounting for injury. Tramon and Sullivan play together. Jackson is probably a bust, and Hollman likely isn't anything better.

Tramon at 1/5 is great value. Have you seen these contracts this year???

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10 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

We had 6 DBs on the field for 52% of snaps last year. You need 6 DBs before you start accounting for injury. Tramon and Sullivan play together. Jackson is probably a bust, and Hollman likely isn't anything better.

I see the point in doing it but he's going to be 37. If one is of the ilk to go all in this year, he makes sense. I can't rationalize 2.5% of my cap on a 37 year old DB. 

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1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

We had 6 DBs on the field for 52% of snaps last year. You need 6 DBs before you start accounting for injury. Tramon and Sullivan play together. Jackson is probably a bust, and Hollman likely isn't anything better.

Tramon at 1/5 is great value. Have you seen these contracts this year???

I mean Alexander just signed 1/4 for Cincy. You should be able to get Tramon for about 1/3.5. He played well last year but he's also like 45 years old. 

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4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

We had 6 DBs on the field for 52% of snaps last year. You need 6 DBs before you start accounting for injury. Tramon and Sullivan play together. Jackson is probably a bust, and Hollman likely isn't anything better.

Tramon at 1/5 is great value. Have you seen these contracts this year???

dude was a rookie last year and a later round pick. Not sure you can write him off so easily. Jackson's a 2nd round pick who had two years now and has hardly played; we can say he's a bust at this point; trade him if you can.

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I could see Tramon getting anywhere from 2-5. High end of 5 if he has outside bidders, low end of 2 if he just wants to play and doesn't want a new environment/pain of moving etc.

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2 minutes ago, VonKarman said:

Apparently we are being used in Ngakoue negotiations

Seems more likley

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If we trade for Ngakoue it better be a straight up Gary or Preston for Ngakoue trade.  Otherwise that would be the epitome of overkill at EDGE, underkill elsewhere.  I cannot fathom the stupidity of having three premier EDGE players plus a top 15 pick.  
 

Unless we’re planning on Gary playing purely IDL and gaining some weight, that would be near the top of my least favorite offseason moves.

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Just now, Outpost31 said:

If we trade for Ngakoue it better be a straight up Gary or Preston for Ngakoue trade.  Otherwise that would be the epitome of overkill at EDGE, underkill elsewhere.  I cannot fathom the stupidity of having three premier EDGE players plus a top 15 pick.  
 

Unless we’re planning on Gary playing purely IDL and gaining some weight, that would be near the top of my least favorite offseason moves.

I hadn't given much thought about the assets we would need to spend but won't the cap itself be prohibitive? And yeah, why get another premier DE when we have more important holes to fill in the lineup.

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1 hour ago, Golfman said:

1. I thought they only gave out 32 comp picks? After cancellations Fackrell is on the bubble of us getting one. 

2. No chance on Goodson unless the Giants have him 3.5 million more than he's worth. 

I'd say we have 2 right now and a 4th and 5th seems right. 

Fackrell will easily get us a compensatory pick at 4.6 million. For the 2020 draft 4 million seemed to be the cutoff for a 6th round pick.  Goodson is still up in the air until the contract details are released. 

The last compensatory pick that was awarded for 2020 was at 1.3 million apy. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/

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1 hour ago, Golfman said:

1. I thought they only gave out 32 comp picks? After cancellations Fackrell is on the bubble of us getting one. 

2. No chance on Goodson unless the Giants have him 3.5 million more than he's worth. 

I'd say we have 2 right now and a 4th and 5th seems right. 

 
There was 33 compensatory picks eligible last year with only 1 not making the cut.
 
2020 Compensatory Picks
Explanation | Basics & Methodology | Cancellation Chart
Team Round Compensated Free Agent APY
HOU* 3 Tyrann Mathieu $14,000,000
NE 3 Trey Flowers $18,000,000
NYG 3 Landon Collins $14,000,000
NE 3 Trent Brown $16,250,000
SEA 3 Earl Thomas $13,750,000
PIT 3 Le'Veon Bell $13,125,000
PHI 3 Nick Foles $21,500,000
LAR 3 Rodger Saffold $11,000,000
MIN 3 Sheldon Richardson $11,933,333
BAL 3 C.J. Mosley $17,000,000
TB 4 Kwon Alexander $13,050,000
CHI* 4 Adrian Amos $9,000,000
MIA 4 Ja'Wuan James $12,750,000
WAS 4 Jamison Crowder $9,500,000
BAL* 4 John Brown $9,000,000
SEA 4 Justin Coleman $9,000,000
PHI 4 Jordan Hicks $8,500,000
PHI 4 Golden Tate $9,350,000
DEN 5 Billy Turner $6,650,000
DAL 5 Cole Beasley $7,050,000
NE 6 Malcom Brown $4,933,333
NE 6 Cordarrelle Patterson $5,000,000
SEA 6 Shamar Stephen $4,050,000
NYG 7 Mario Edwards Jr. $2,300,000
HOU 7 Kendall Lamm $2,225,000
MIN 7 Trevor Siemian $2,000,000
HOU 7 Christian Covington $1,750,000
MIA 7 Brandon Bolden $1,850,000
DEN 7 Max Garcia $1,796,875
MIN 7 Tom Compton $1,600,000
DEN 7 Tramaine Brock $1,337,500
NYG 7 Josh Mauro $1,300,000
Compensation over 32-pick limit; not awarded
NYG 7 Kerry Wynn $1,212,500

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Projections right now.

 

2021 Projected Compensatory Picks
Explanation | Basics & Methodology | Cancellation Chart
Team Round Compensated Free Agent APY
NE 3 Tom Brady $30,000,000
NO 3 Teddy Bridgewater $21,000,000
DAL 3 Byron Jones $16,500,000
LAR 3 Dante Fowler Jr. $16,000,000
TEN 3 Jack Conklin $14,000,000
DAL 3 Robert Quinn $14,000,000
MIN 3 Trae Waynes $14,000,000
PIT 4 Javon Hargrave $13,000,000
NE 4 Kyle Van Noy $12,750,000
LAR 4 Cory Littleton $11,750,000
CAR 4 Mario Addison $10,133,333
KC 4 Kendall Fuller $10,000,000
NE 4 Jamie Collins $10,000,000
GB 4 Blake Martinez $10,000,000
GB 5 Bryan Bulaga $10,000,000
ATL 5 Vic Beasley $9,500,000
DAL 5 Randall Cobb $9,000,000
ATL 5 De'Vondre Campbell $8,500,000
KC 5 Emmanuel Ogbah $7,500,000
NO 6 A.J. Klein $6,000,000
PIT 6 Sean Davis $5,000,000
CHI 6 Nicholas Williams $5,000,000
PHI 6 Jordan Howard $5,000,000
GB 6 Kyler Fackrell $4,600,000
ATL 6 Wes Schweitzer $4,500,000
PIT 6 Tyler Matakevich $4,500,000
CHI 6 Chase Daniel $4,350,000
MIN 6 Mackensie Alexander $4,000,000
DAL 6 Jeff Heath $4,000,000
TB 6 Beau Allen $4,000,000
NE 6 Danny Shelton $4,000,000
CHI 6 Kevin Pierre-Louis $3,450,000
Compensation over 32-pick limit; not awarded
PHI 7 Kamu Grugier-Hill $3,000,000
MIN 7 Jayron Kearse $2,750,000
NO ? Eli Apple TBA
BAL ? Seth Roberts TBA
GB ? B.J. Goodson TBA

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Was really hoping Gute would do something while we were still on page 69.

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