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1 hour ago, soulman said:

And FWIW my $.02 is worth I don't believe Pace's job security is tied to Mitch's success or failure.  The McCaskey's love him and in the overall scheme of things he's been a better GM than either Angelo or Emery although with the latter that ain't sayin' much.

Has he though? Angelo was pretty successful in his time here and built several teams that accomplished more than any Bears team built by Pace.

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7 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

Has he though? Angelo was pretty successful in his time here and built several teams that accomplished more than any Bears team built by Pace.

I think Angelo was underrated. Him vs Pace would be a toss up right now imo.

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52 minutes ago, abstract_thought said:

Has he though? Angelo was pretty successful in his time here and built several teams that accomplished more than any Bears team built by Pace.

Angelo was successful in building a team the made the Super Bowl and the NFC Championship Game both under Lovie.  But he was hired in 2001 and the Super Bowl team didn't happen 'til 2005 5 years into his reign and 3 years into Lovie's.  The NFCC game came in 2010 5 years later and 8 years into Lovie's reign.

Pace began his era saddled with John Fox and a roster without a whole lot of talent compared to what we have now.  Emery left him with an atrocious defense and not a whole lot more on offense but Cutler and 30 year old Matt Forte.  So FWIW I'm giving Pace a pass for the entire time Fox was HC as far as their record goes.

Fox was a major interference to a rookie GM and had pretty much mailed it in as far as his coaching career goes.  The Bears gig was his golden parachute.  Pace also didn't have a whole lot of cap initially to make bold moves with but he did begin to assemble some of the team we see now so FWIW I'm looking at where we are now and what happens over the next 2-3 years.  Then I'll decide on him.

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Angelo went to 3 playoff appearances, should have had a 4th if Cutler hadn't been injured. He had a Super Bowl appearance and another NFC Championship appearance.

Pace has made the playoffs once and never won a playoff game.

 

Angelo was here for 11 years.

Pace is going to be here for 6 years this season.

 

He had better get on winning here soon.

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8 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

Angelo went to 3 playoff appearances, should have had a 4th if Cutler hadn't been injured. He had a Super Bowl appearance and another NFC Championship appearance.

Pace has made the playoffs once and never won a playoff game.

 

Angelo was here for 11 years.

Pace is going to be here for 6 years this season.

 

He had better get on winning here soon.

Or what?  You're gonna fire him?  Or just light a bag of dog crap on this front door step and tee pee his car?

Pace has actually been here 5 seasons.  Three with John Faux and two with Matt Nagy.  This one will be six and he wasn't the one who double doinked.  That was Parkey.

So.....are you always this unhappy Windy?

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2 minutes ago, soulman said:

Or what?  You're gonna fire him?  Or just light a bag of dog crap on this front door step and tee pee his car?

Pace has actually been here 5 seasons.  Three with John Faux and two with Matt Nagy.  This one will be six and he wasn't the one who double doinked.  That was Parkey.

So.....are you always this unhappy Windy?

No, but he was the one who gave him $16M and refused to bring in competition during the season while Parkey was up and down all year.

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1 minute ago, beardown3231 said:

No, but he was the one who gave him $16M and refused to bring in competition during the season while Parkey was up and down all year.

Right. We can't just ignore Pace had been steadfast in his complacency with "his boys". When he makes a colossal mistake, he fixes it... Glennon, Wheaton, Demps. But when he has guys he sees potential in, he WILL NOT get rid of them or bring in mid-season competition... Sims, Parkey, Long, etc.

Pace has been solid, has made a great locker room culture, added some great players and sometimes for really cheap... But he just hasn't put together winners, mostly due to his stubbornness and gambles.

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2 minutes ago, beardown3231 said:

No, but he was the one who gave him $16M and refused to bring in competition during the season while Parkey was up and down all year.

Look, I didn't care much for Parkey either but the guy was a 90% + PK in Miami the year before so unless you expected Pace to be clairvoyant I don't know that we can hang this one on him 100%.  I blame him far more for letting Fox talk him into releasing Robbie Gould and replacing him with Connor Barth.  If that doesn't happen we never sign Parkey to begin with.

Pace has had his share of misses along with his successes.  They balance out more on the favorable side than the unfavorable IMHO.

I'm not his agent or his PR guy but I think we at least need to be fair.  I mean he's the same guy who also drafted Eddie Jackson and Nick Kwiatkoski in the 4th, signed ARob in FA, and pulled off the trade of the decade for Kahlil Mack so he's not a total bum right?

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Jason Liesner: Sun Times

 

Despite very limited salary-cap space and a highly paid tight end already on their roster, a source said they are planning to make a run at Falcons two-time Pro Bowler Austin Hooper when free agency opens next month.

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