Jump to content
squire12

TCMD 2020 GB Packer WAR ROOM

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, JBURGE said:

The DL just seems like mega overkill.... 

It is.  And it has to be because the offensive isn't going to score much as it stands today.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, vegas492 said:

It is.  And it has to be because the offensive isn't going to score much as it stands today.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to trade for Akiem Hicks AND pay Hargrave. What is the point of that? They won't see the field together a ton, and you don't need three top tier guys to rotate when you're paying both Smith's. If you're going to spend more in the front, it would have made a little more sense to sign a guy who would play OLB to rotate with Gary and the Smith's, since Gary will likely get more inside snaps this season on passing downs. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OP would have to answer for that...trading for Hicks and paying Hargrave.  

As it stands, though, our offense takes a pretty clear step backwards.  Maybe a rookie RB can replicate some of what Jones gave us.  Maybe.  But the WRs are still bad.  TE is still meh.  RB group is poor.  So we better keep teams from scoring 21.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, vegas492 said:

Weak at RB.  Weak at WR.   Which means weak at QB.

Love the rest of the roster.  In the draft, look BPA at WR/RB for the first two picks.  And that is tough to stomach, but a necessity.  

Strong RB draft class and WR class.  

We are inquiring about a WR addition with teams.

@vegas492

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, JBURGE said:

The DL just seems like mega overkill.... 

Strong DL is the foundation of just about any strong defense.

Adding 2 NFL ready DL improves the run D, pass D.

Added 3rd CB in Alexander for this year and as a buffer with King going into a contract year.

@JBURGE

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, vegas492 said:

It is.  And it has to be because the offensive isn't going to score much as it stands today.

There are multiple rounds of FA to go and a RB and WR strong draft class

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, JBURGE said:

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me to trade for Akiem Hicks AND pay Hargrave. What is the point of that? They won't see the field together a ton, and you don't need three top tier guys to rotate when you're paying both Smith's. If you're going to spend more in the front, it would have made a little more sense to sign a guy who would play OLB to rotate with Gary and the Smith's, since Gary will likely get more inside snaps this season on passing downs. 

Clark, Hargrave and Hicks would be in more of a rotation.

Clark played 83% of the defensive snaps in 2019....869 total.  Trying to drop that to 65-70%.

Dean Lowry played 61%, 637 total.

Tyler Lancaster played 36%, 381 total.

Montravius Adams played 18%, 187 total.

Take 15 % from clark...150 snaps

Take 45 % from Lowry...450 snaps

Take 20 % from Lancaster...200 snaps

Take 15% from Adams...150 snaps

That is 950 snaps to split.  Better 3 man rotation and offers some better options for pettine with better run D and pass rush on more downs from the IDL.

Lowry generated 10 TOTAL QB pressures, knockdowns, hurries and sacks in his 637 snaps.

Lancaster 5.5 TOTAL in 381 snaps

Adams.....0 in 187 snaps.

 

Hargrave....28 in 680 snaps.

Hicks...18 in 192 snaps.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Honestly ...   the AJ trade is the sort of thing a tanking or rebuilding team would do, not the sort of deal that a team chasing a super-bowl with a closing window would do. The team needs Jones, you can't make that deal if you are serious about competing this season. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, mikemike778 said:

Honestly ...   the AJ trade is the sort of thing a tanking or rebuilding team would do, not the sort of deal that a team chasing a super-bowl with a closing window would do. The team needs Jones, you can't make that deal if you are serious about competing this season. 

Understandable.   Thankfully there are draft options in a good RB draft class, and other avenues to pursue a RB.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, squire12 said:

Understandable.   Thankfully there are draft options in a good RB draft class, and other avenues to pursue a RB.

There are ... but its taking a huge risk if you rely on the draft. As others have said, what happens if the draft picks take time to be reliable in protection ?    What happens if the guys you want get taken ?  Are you going to have to trade up and reach ? 

If it was different circumstances, it would be more acceptable but I don't think we can just write off a year.  

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, mikemike778 said:

There are ... but its taking a huge risk if you rely on the draft. As others have said, what happens if the draft picks take time to be reliable in protection ?    What happens if the guys you want get taken ?  Are you going to have to trade up and reach ? 

If it was different circumstances, it would be more acceptable but I don't think we can just write off a year.  

 

How is that different that the desire to upgrade any position?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, squire12 said:

How is that different that the desire to upgrade any position?

Is the goal here to upgrade Running Back ?

The issue I see is that years of exclusively drafting defence combined with Rodgers declining skills finally cumulated in the offence falling off a cliff. The offence to me needs serious investment and positive surgery or it is in real trouble.

So far, you have traded the only star skill player and Jimmy Graham who for all his faults was one of Rodgers more prominent weapons (to be clear I obviously agree with this trade). The OL still looks a real strength but is a year older and given 4/5s of it are getting on a bit, in reality has to be expected to regress (whether skill or the increased injury chance).

As it stands, you would need to hit on multiple picks just to reverse the damage of the Adams trade. Let alone try and fix the problems from last season and hedge against an ageing OL.   It would seem like there's too much to do. Not that many draft picks have an instant impact year 1.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

 

4 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

Is the goal here to upgrade Running Back ?

Yes.  Draft pick and or a veteran FA.

4 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

The issue I see is that years of exclusively drafting defence combined with Rodgers declining skills finally cumulated in the offence falling off a cliff. The offence to me needs serious investment and positive surgery or it is in real trouble.

The defense is built to carry the team in the Rodgers twilight and after.

4 hours ago, mikemike778 said:

So far, you have traded the only star skill player and Jimmy Graham who for all his faults was one of Rodgers more prominent weapons (to be clear I obviously agree with this trade). The OL still looks a real strength but is a year older and given 4/5s of it are getting on a bit, in reality has to be expected to regress (whether skill or the increased injury chance).

As it stands, you would need to hit on multiple picks just to reverse the damage of the Adams trade. Let alone try and fix the problems from last season and hedge against an ageing OL.   It would seem like there's too much to do. Not that many draft picks have an instant impact year 1.

Draft picks are below.

30, 43, 94.  Should yield 2 year 1 contributors.

125,132, 133, 159 are depth on the OL, WR.

We have draft capital to maneuver for players we want.

Available Draft Picks DPV       Base Hit Signing Bonus Cap Hit
1ST Rnd - Pick 30 | Ovrall: 30 620       $510,000 $1,686,078 $2,196,078
2ND Rnd - Pick 11 | Ovrall: 43 470       $510,000 $901,348 $1,411,348
3RD Rnd - Pick 30 | Ovrall: 94 124       $510,000 $254,595 $764,595
4TH Rnd - Pick 22 | Ovrall: 125 47       $510,000 $214,035 $724,035
4TH Rnd - Pick 29 | Ovrall: 132 40       $510,000 $202,800 $712,800
4TH Rnd - Pick 30 | Ovrall: 133 39.5       $510,000 $200,773 $710,773
5TH Rnd - Pick 19 | Ovrall: 159 28.8       $510,000 $93,073 $603,073
5TH Rnd - Pick 36 | Ovrall: 176 22       $510,000 $81,516 $591,516
6TH Rnd - Pick 34 | Ovrall: 210 8.4       $510,000 $46,632 $556,632
7TH Rnd - Pick 1 | Ovrall: 219 4.8       $510,000 $33,262 $543,262
7TH Rnd - Pick 25 | Ovrall: 243         $510,000 $23,653 $533,653
7TH Rnd - Pick 26 | Ovrall: 244         $510,000 $23,461 $533,46

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



×