Art_Vandalay Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) i hope 1 team goes for it every time and never reliquenches the ball Edited January 24, 2020 by Malfatron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) If you’re down multiple scores with 2 minutes left it should be horrible odds to get the ball back. If it’s any easier an offense will go right back out against an exhausted defence. why should a team play like hot garbage for 58 minutes deserve a reprieve that makes it easier to fluke their way into a victory? Making the onside kick anything more than a snowballs chance in hell is pretty dumb imo. You had 58 minutes to keep the score close and couldn’t. Boohoo that it’s hard to steal one with next to no time left. Be better. Football is a turn based strategy game, not a wacky silly rooty tooty participant-ribbon “lets give the losers an easier time” extravaganza. Edited January 24, 2020 by ThatJaxxenGuy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 3:12 PM, Malfatron said: Cant wait for them to line up like they are gonna go for it, try to draw the defense offsides for a free play, take the delay of game, and then decide not to go for it after all and let their oppoents have it With a commercial between each. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: why should a team play like hot garbage for 58 minutes deserve a reprieve that makes it easier to fluke their way into a victory? I dont know, ask the Lions. twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Malfatron said: i hope 1 team goes for it every time and never reliquenches the ball Normally your offense isn't going to be good enough to convert 4th and 15 regularly, but this is the pro bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Just now, PossibleCabbage said: Normally your offense isn't going to be good enough to convert 4th and 15 regularly, but this is the pro bowl. and theres nothing to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Honestly, "a team attempts to completely abuse the rule in bad faith" is probably the best way to test the rule. If an extremely talented offense against a disinterested defense can't retain possession with regularity, it's probably not going to be a problem in a non-exhibition context. Edited January 24, 2020 by PossibleCabbage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 So we're OK with just totally killing the very idea of a "surprise onside" play? Sidenote - I've watched pretty much every Patriots game for the last 15 years, along with hundreds of others. Thousands of hours of football. I don't recall anyone, ever getting injured on an onside kick. Not once. Not saying it didn't happen, but I don't remember one. I see defensive players get hurt on pick plays all the time - and yet the league seems OK with that. The 4th and 15 rule is dumb, teams will be able to just line up and essentially just throw a hail mary. If it's picked? Who cares, it's basically a kick-off. And there's always the chance of a penalty or catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 also, does time run on that play or is it untimed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4th and 15 is stupid. Why can't it be 4th and 25? Its not their ball. It belongs to the other team. Make them have to do something difficult, not just kind of hard. Also, are we going to be regularly determining games based on defensive holding on a fake 4th and 15 play Just what we need, more power to the refs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 hours ago, SkippyX said: 4th and 15 is stupid. Why can't it be 4th and 25? Its not their ball. It belongs to the other team. Make them have to do something difficult, not just kind of hard. Also, are we going to be regularly determining games based on defensive holding on a fake 4th and 15 play Just what we need, more power to the refs! Agree, 15 yards is too easy in the PI realm. Aaron Rodgers be making them like clockwork. Bad idea which means it will likely be adopted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 This is a stupid rule and favors teams with high powered passing attacks. On 1/24/2020 at 2:05 PM, ThatJaxxenGuy said: If you’re down multiple scores with 2 minutes left it should be horrible odds to get the ball back. If it’s any easier an offense will go right back out against an exhausted defence. why should a team play like hot garbage for 58 minutes deserve a reprieve that makes it easier to fluke their way into a victory? Making the onside kick anything more than a snowballs chance in hell is pretty dumb imo. You had 58 minutes to keep the score close and couldn’t. Boohoo that it’s hard to steal one with next to no time left. Be better. Football is a turn based strategy game, not a wacky silly rooty tooty participant-ribbon “lets give the losers an easier time” extravaganza. Couldn’t have said it better myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Also, what happens if the team attempting the 4th and 15 scores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Also, what happens if the team attempting the 4th and 15 scores? Ita a play, so it would be a TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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