.Buzz Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I believe this guy deserves his own thread. He's been one of our best pass rushers in years (although that's not saying a lot) but he's the heart and soul of this defense right now. I don't think he'll be back, and I'm not sure yet if I see him as an elite top level pass rusher, but I don't think we've seen the best of him and I hope something gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 The good news here is there's discussion happening. I'd imagine we offered $20-$21M per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, .Buzz said: The good news here is there's discussion happening. I'd imagine we offered $20-$21M per. That would be the smart thing but knowing we probably starting at like 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: That would be the smart thing but knowing we probably starting at like 14 Considering we offered 19 in July id think it's likely higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline_Flux Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 iirc the main issues back in July had to do with the guarantees and language of the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Adrenaline_Flux said: iirc the main issues back in July had to do with the guarantees and language of the offer. Yep, give him 5 years, 65M+ guaranteed and 21-22M per year and call it a day. Has to be close if not, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) I'm always opposed to the "give him whatever he wants" thing. But honestly...just pay the man. He's extremely good. Edited January 25, 2020 by Tugboat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Tugboat said: I'm always opposed to the "give him whatever he wants" thing. But honestly...just pay the man. He's extremely good. Yea I get that you have to draw the line somewhere but we have no reason to believe Yannick is unreasonable either. Market value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyRx Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Positions where you give a good/great player whatever he wants: QB Pass rusher /list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, MightyRx said: Positions where you give a good/great player whatever he wants: QB Pass rusher /list You say that but there still has to be a line. Like as good as Mahomes is if he asks for 50+M a year how can you give him that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: You say that but there still has to be a line. Like as good as Mahomes is if he asks for 50+M a year how can you give him that? Mahomes can have a million john Ross and would be fine at wr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 20 hours ago, .Buzz said: Yep, give him 5 years, 65M+ guaranteed and 21-22M per year and call it a day. Has to be close if not, imo. I feel like 23 is my cut off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuvalsKing Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, LinderFournette said: I feel like 23 is my cut off. That’s still too steep I love Yann I don’t think he is that dominant. You’re going to take the pros and cons with any player for example Von Miller is a liability in coverage but he is so dominant as a pass rusher that you over look it. Yann is a nice player but is he a dominant player? Plus he is suspect versus the run to me he is a very good pass rusher? Yes.. Dominating... eeeh. To me I think the 19 mill a year mark is where I’d pay him I think he would have took it if it had been a 5 yr deal. But that was then this is now so maybe he has aspirations of the 20+ mill.. if that’s the case the Jags should let him find a new suitor. That core that you had is dead you might as well restart with a cheaper yet less productive option. The CBA usually wants players to exceed what predecessors make. By comparison Mack makes 23 mill per yer and Cameron Jordan makes 17.. Neither 1 I don’t think Yann is better then. But to add more context Jordan’s on I believe his 3rd contract. But are you really that much in need of Yann where you want to drastically over pay him for the production to keep him here? I’d rather not. Edited January 26, 2020 by DuvalsKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Main thing here is the tidbit of Jaguars offering in range of $100M. Edited January 27, 2020 by .Buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 10:38 AM, DuvalsKing said: That’s still too steep I love Yann I don’t think he is that dominant. You’re going to take the pros and cons with any player for example Von Miller is a liability in coverage but he is so dominant as a pass rusher that you over look it. Yann is a nice player but is he a dominant player? Plus he is suspect versus the run to me he is a very good pass rusher? Yes.. Dominating... eeeh. To me I think the 19 mill a year mark is where I’d pay him I think he would have took it if it had been a 5 yr deal. But that was then this is now so maybe he has aspirations of the 20+ mill.. if that’s the case the Jags should let him find a new suitor. That core that you had is dead you might as well restart with a cheaper yet less productive option. The CBA usually wants players to exceed what predecessors make. By comparison Mack makes 23 mill per yer and Cameron Jordan makes 17.. Neither 1 I don’t think Yann is better then. But to add more context Jordan’s on I believe his 3rd contract. But are you really that much in need of Yann where you want to drastically over pay him for the production to keep him here? I’d rather not. 23 for him is 1) showing the players they will pay for their own and hes also a leader in the lockroom. he was very professional in how he handled this unfortunate situation this year regarding his extension. 2) we need Ngakoue to keep our good EDGE rushing so we dont have another HOLE to fill when both caldwell and Marrone are likely doing it for their job this year. i do think allen is the better all-around between both of our true edge rushers but Ngakoue has the better playmaking ability with his strip sack art. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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