ravens5520 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Baltimore Ravens QB: Lamar Jackson Trace McSorley AJ McCarron HB: Mark Ingram Gus Edwards Justice Hall FB: Pat Ricard WR: Alshon Jeffrey Myles Boykin Jaleel Scott WR: Marquise Brown Tyler Johnson (R) Slot: Willie Snead TE: Mark Andrews Nick Boyle LT: Ronnie Stanley Will Holden LG: Bradley Bozeman Daryl Williams C: Matt Skura Pat Mekari RG: Marshal Yanda Ben Powers RT: Orlando Brown Jason Spriggs James Hurst DE: Brandon Williams Jihad Ward Nick Coe (R) NT: Michael Pierce Daylon Mack DE: Gerald McCoy Jonathan Allen Ofomba Kamalu LOLB: Matthew Judon Tyus Bowser ILB: LJ Fort Chris Board Otaro Alaka ILB: Reggie Ragland Malik Harrison (R) Jacob Phillips (R) ROLB Jaylon Ferguson Zach Baun (R) CB: Marlon Humphrey Jimmy Smith Anthony Averett CB: Marcus Peters Iman Marshall Nickel: Tavon Young FS: Earl Thomas De'Shon Elliott SS: Chuck Clark Antoine Brooks JR. (R) K Justin Tucker P Sam Koch LS Morgan Cox Draft Picks 1st - 26 (traded w/Det) Zach Baun Edge/LB 2nd - 60 = Malik Harrison LB 3rd - 96 = Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota 4th - 126 = Antoine Brooks JR Safety Maryland 4th - 131 = Nick Coe IDL / DE Auburn 4th - 136 = Jacob Phillips ILB LSU 5th - 145 (traded away) 5th - 148 (via Washington) (traded to DET) 5th - Via Vikings - Traded for Alshon Jeffrey 5th - (Traded for Marcus Peters) (Ravens) 7th - 226 Transactions Baltimore Traded vikings 5th for Alshon Jeffrey Baltimore Trades Hayden Hurst to Washington for Jonathan Allen + 148 Sign Reggie Ragland Sign Daryl Williams Re-Sign Matthew Judon Sign AJ McCarron QB Sign Gerald McCoy DE Re-Sign Jihad Ward Signed Jason Spriggs OT Re-Signed Jimmy Smith CB Cap Room Remaining: $9 mill est Edited March 10, 2020 by ravens5520 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, ravens5520 said: Hit me back and let me know if I’m being too generous with Hurst here, but to me Allen is a huge grab to pair with Andrews, Lamar and Brown Seems fine to me. I think Hurst is a really good player, but so is Keenan Allen, and if we aren't going to utilize Hurst- what does it matter? From there it's just a matter of how you view Boykin's potential going forward. And I'm guessing everyone has cooled on him considerably. So go with your gut if the opportunity presents itself. Though you might want to just look into getting him for a combo of mid round picks, like we did with Boldin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, ravens5520 said: Let me ask some fellow ravens on a wild idea. Say we had an opportunity to trade Boykin & Hurst for Keenan Allen. Would we jump on that? Allen replaces Boykin and the grooming process... Hurst is bogged down with the 3 headed monster Been dabbling in the GM mocks going on and have control in TCMD of our boys. The mock is very in depth with actual IRL cap space associated with it as well. With extensions allowed. As Allen is in his last year of his current deal and comes with a 10 mill cap hit. So the plan would be to deal and extend although the back up option is Alshon Jeffrey for our late 5th. He’s a hefty cap hit but allowed for restructure/extension once the deal is completed Hit me back and let me know if I’m being too generous with Hurst here, but to me Allen is a huge grab to pair with Andrews, Lamar and Brown Would do it for sure. Keenan Allen is a known quantity that can get open and has great hands. Paired with Brown as the deep threat and it’s essentially the Oklahoma offense with Allen playing the role of CeeDee Lamb... and Mark Andrews playing the role of Mark Andrews. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said: and Mark Andrews playing the role of Mark Andrews. Definitely his best fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 hours ago, ravens5520 said: Been dabbling in the GM mocks going on and have control in TCMD of our boys. If the Chargers GM would accept it I would definitely do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danand Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I would 100% not do it. Allen is great, but has also had his share of injuries. The idea of trading Hurst lies solely on the idea we can stay healthy or "just bring in another who can play at the position". If Andrews goes down with season ending injury, we have zero pass catching ability from the tight end position. If Ricard or Boyle goes down, Hurst is the obvious backup to play the full back position who can also flex out and run routes. It is his second year and we have him for cheap - I really don't see the interest in trading him away. I guess it is because people want to avoid the bust label as he was drafted in the 1. round, but I don't think it is the right thing to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, Danand said: I would 100% not do it. Allen is great, but has also had his share of injuries. The idea of trading Hurst lies solely on the idea we can stay healthy or "just bring in another who can play at the position". If Andrews goes down with season ending injury, we have zero pass catching ability from the tight end position. If Ricard or Boyle goes down, Hurst is the obvious backup to play the full back position who can also flex out and run routes. It is his second year and we have him for cheap - I really don't see the interest in trading him away. I guess it is because people want to avoid the bust label as he was drafted in the 1. round, but I don't think it is the right thing to do. It’s his third season now moving forward and it’s unlikely, based off his current production, that we would be likely to pay what might be $7-8m his 5th year would command (after Kittle, Kelce, and Mark Andrews raise their TE contract market). Especially considering we will have to pay Lamar, that year and will likely have had to extend both Zeus Jr and Andrews the year prior. So in reality unless something crazy happens, Hurst has two years left (realistically) vs three years. Keenan Allen is a top quality option, is in his athletic prime at only 27/28, thus should have another 3 years minimum of prime ability, and in this mock scenario it would be happening early enough in the offseason that an additional TE option could be brought in through the draft that fills a similar role as Hurst, with a couple more years left of team control than Hurst would provide at this point. Keenan Allen has a top notch catch rate and has played 16 games each of the past three seasons, while going above 1000 yds receiving in 4/7 seasons to this point; making the pro bowl the last three. Boykin is a third round pick and Hurst is probably a 2nd/3rd Rd pick in a redraft, give me the pro bowler quite easily. The Chargers would even be foolish to consider this deal, but if they did...I’d pounce 10/10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravens5520 Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 So the chargers have gained much interest and he asked for a 4th. We have comp picks in this mock draft, so we gained 2 4ths from the formula currently. Giving me 3 4ths to play with. I’m okay adding one to this deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Danand said: I would 100% not do it. Allen is great, but has also had his share of injuries. The idea of trading Hurst lies solely on the idea we can stay healthy or "just bring in another who can play at the position". If Andrews goes down with season ending injury, we have zero pass catching ability from the tight end position. If Ricard or Boyle goes down, Hurst is the obvious backup to play the full back position who can also flex out and run routes. It is his second year and we have him for cheap - I really don't see the interest in trading him away. I guess it is because people want to avoid the bust label as he was drafted in the 1. round, but I don't think it is the right thing to do. He has played every game of the past 3 seasons. No more injury prone than any NFL player is at this point. The idea of turning down a Pro Bowl caliber player because we think a backup TE is more important is as a contingency plan is crazy IMO. Hell, Hurst is all of 1 year younger than Allen, so it's even like we're talking about keeping youth in this case. The team-control element is nice but ultimately what we're talking about is calling a decent TE a dealbreaker when we're talking about the kind of playmaker who can bring this offense to a new level. I'll put it this way, I'd much rather go into next year with Keenan Allen and then sign someone like Nick Vannett and Trey Burton for TE depth than hold on Hurst, give him 30 targets next year, and then spend the offseason talking ourselves into some Nelson Agholor type breaking out for us. Edited January 26, 2020 by BaltimoreTerp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danand Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 So atm. we are talking about dealing away two 4th round picks and Hayden Hurst for Allen who is on a 11 million something deal and will be an FA in 2021? I prefer we find the receiver we need in the draft and use the picks. While we might pass the ball more in the future, that is still a lot of value for 6-8 targets a game. The "space" that Allen could create for other players are more difficult to put a prize/number on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Adding a 2nd 4th rounder might make me reconsider, I might just prefer IRL to make that a 2021 4th rounder if need be because I don't like losing too many picks in one draft. And I think you most likely try to make negotiating with Allen for an extension a part of the deal. But knowing you probably get at least a 4th round comp pick back for Allen if he does leave after one year... then it's still a pretty good deal IMO. You're basically asking whether a 4th rounder is worth the price of a minimum 1 year of control of Keenan Allen over 2 years of control for Hurst (who I think absolutely leaves after his rookie contract is up to be a starter elsewhere). One of them is a much higher level of difference maker than the other and our Super Bowl window is now. Standing pat because we're emotionally attached to draft picks/get too worked up about our 2nd and 3rd string options at other positions is a mistake to me. When we traded for Boldin, he was in the last year of his contract and 2 years older than Allen is now and we gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder. So the price we're talking about now isn't drastically different if we value Hurst at around 3rd round value. I think a player like Allen has the potential to have Boldin-level impact for this team and I've already talked up trading for him beyond just this convo, so I'm certainly more bullish on him but I think a deal like this for playmakers that doesn't really hurt our draft capital or long-term cap flexibility in a dramatic way are no-brainers to get involved in. Edited January 26, 2020 by BaltimoreTerp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BareYourTeeth Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The Chargers ain't trading Keenan Allen and we wouldn't be able to get him for Hayden Hurst and a 4th even if they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravens5520 Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Hurst, Boykin and 1 4th rounder For Allen who I’m allowed to extend as soon as the deal processes My plan was a 3 year deal.. making him a UFA 2023 at the age of 32. We gain his last 3 years of his prime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danand Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I am still not a fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Going to make this a separate thread to avoid any confusion between discussion of a trade in this GM mock draft and any potential IRL moves the team might make 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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