Thelonebillsfan Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, BayRaider said: He was pretty dang good on the Bills though. Not really. He flashed. But like Watkins he could never stay healthy and never showed the desire to be physical at the level you want. He was very hesitant at the LoS. He always had the physical ability but he never put it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, BlaqOptic said: Posted this on r/NFL (what a freakin' trash place; everyone there are idiots) Imagine a world where there are 6 Cornerbacks who have won DPoTY and one of them is Stephon Gilmore. Not Revis. Not Sherman. Not Williams. Not Bailey. Not Asomugha. Not Newman (05), not McAllister(06), but Stephon Gilmore. Just doesn't seem right. I agree with this. Gilmore was awesome, but he was arguably not even the best CB in the league this year. You could legit argue White had a better season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: Voting broke down as follows... Stephon Gilmore Patriots CB 21 Chandler Jones Cardinals EDGE 14 TJ Watt Steelers EDGE 10 Shaq Barrett Buccaneers EDGE 2 Danielle Hunter Vikings EDGE 1 Tre'Davious White Bills CB 1 Aaron Donald Rams IDL 1 So basically you have 14 idiots who voted for Chandler Jones. Chandler Jones gets an insane level of disrespect. I'm glad he at least came in second. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 minute ago, HoboRocket said: Chandler Jones gets an insane level of disrespect. I'm glad he at least came in second. Chandler Jones is underrated as a whole. However, in no way shape or form did he outplay Watt, Barrett, or Z Smith this season. He had less tackles for loss, less pressures, less QB hits. Voters looked at sacks and forced fumbles and thats it, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: Chandler Jones is underrated as a whole. However, in no way shape or form did he outplay Watt, Barrett, or Z Smith this season. He had less tackles for loss, less pressures, less QB hits. Voters looked at sacks and forced fumbles and thats it, IMO. Sacks and forced fumbles are w/o a doubt more important than TFLs and pressures, as individual plays. Idk the #s so I'll make some up for this point. I guess you have to weigh if 100 pressures and 15 sacks is more important than 85 pressures and 20 sacks. Etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, 11sanchez11 said: Sacks and forced fumbles are w/o a doubt more important than TFLs and pressures, as individual plays. Idk the #s so I'll make some up for this point. I guess you have to weigh if 100 pressures and 15 sacks is more important than 85 pressures and 20 sacks. Etc That is absolutely not true. What makes a sack bigger than a tackle for loss other than the name? They literally accomplish the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotanKing Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I thought TJ Watt would win this... probably would have won if Steelers made playoffs I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: That is absolutely not true. What makes a sack bigger than a tackle for loss other than the name? They literally accomplish the same thing. On average a sack loses more yards than a non-sack TFL (I believe sacks count as TFL) I actually don't know this to be true but it seems likely lol But my math was more sacks>pressures and FF>TFLs Ok I take back w/o a doubt but I would rather have a sack than a pressure and a FF than a TFL on any play. Edited February 2, 2020 by 11sanchez11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, 11sanchez11 said: On a average a sack loses more yards than a non-sack TFL (I believe sacks count as TFL) I actually don't know this to be true but it seems likely lol But my math was more sacks>pressures and FF>TFLs Ok I take back w/o a doubt but I would rather have a sack than a pressure and a FF than a TFL on any play. So if a pressure leads to an errant pass that gets picked off (and possibly returned for a TD), was the sack better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: So if a pressure leads to an errant pass that gets picked off (and possibly returned for a TD), was the sack better? We're talking about averages. I'm pretty sure on average sacks cause a way higher % of turnovers than non-sack pressures. Almost all of Jones's FF were on sacks. But let's get back to Gilmore! Edited February 2, 2020 by 11sanchez11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: So if a pressure leads to an errant pass that gets picked off (and possibly returned for a TD), was the sack better? No but that’s not usually the result of a pressure. It’s usually an incomplete pass. And if you don’t get Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Rodgers, Roethlisberger etc on the ground there’s a good chance you’re giving up a big play. Unless pressure is the same as a hurry. I’m not always sure how these unofficial stats get scored Edited February 2, 2020 by DontTazeMeBro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Aaron Donald getting one vote is criminal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said: No but that’s not usually the result of a pressure. It’s usually an incomplete pass. And if you don’t get Mahomes, Watson, Wilson, Rodgers, Roethlisberger etc on the ground there’s a good chance you’re giving up a big play. Unless pressure is the same as a hurry. I’m not always sure how these unofficial stats get scored Yes, a pressure is a play where the QB gets hit, huried, (sacked), or knocked down. *Some groups include sacks in that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, showtime said: I agree with this. Gilmore was awesome, but he was arguably not even the best CB in the league this year. You could legit argue White had a better season. It's hard for a CB to win in general, Gilmore had more name recognition and cache when really they at best were a wash and at worst White was slightly better. At the very least, the difference wasn't so disparate that White deserved only a SINGULAR vote compared to the guy who won it when they basically had coin flip level seasons. That's dumb. And more proof that these voters really just basically go off name brand first. Edited February 2, 2020 by Thelonebillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Wack. Chandler Jones was more impressive. Booooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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