evilpimp972 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Of course they would. It boggles my mind that people who spend time on a football website dont understand supply, demand and contracts. The dude above said he wouldnt pay Dak $25m... Are you kidding me? Im not going to get in a Dak debate on how good you think he is, for some unknown reason FF.com hates the guy. But if you dont think he would be the #1 hottest commodity in the open market you are insane. And that includes the GOAT Tom Brady. By "you", I dont mean HTTR specifically. Obviously his own team doesn't believe that he's worth that much, or a deal wouldve been made. FF hates the guy but what about Jerry Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBXISBXVSBXVIII Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 23 hours ago, DontTazeMeBro said: I think you’re better off completely missing on a QB than getting a guy who is just capable. So many teams going nowhere because they’re scared to move on from a guy in the Matt Stafford range. Even worse...Derek Carr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolts223 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Hukos said: What's more likely if the Cowboys move on from Dak? Scenario A - they hit on a gem and he flourishes as a QB and they keep progressing from there. Scenario B - they blow the whole team up, fire sale, trade everyone for picks, and go into a period of QB hell where it takes them 7-10+ years to find their next QB. Hint: It's not Scenario A. And if they give Dak 30-35 million (or more) they are going to be stuck in perpetual 8-8 mediocrity. How is that really all that better than scenario B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hukos Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I think you're seriously underestimating how hard it is to find a franchise QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolts223 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hukos said: I think you're seriously underestimating how hard it is to find a franchise QB. And I think you’re not realizing that it’s damn near impossible to win a SB if you’re paying a QB of Dak’s caliber top dollar. The goal is to win a SB, not be stuck in mediocrity with a QB like Dak sucking up 20-25% of your cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, evilpimp972 said: Obviously his own team doesn't believe that he's worth that much, or a deal wouldve been made. FF hates the guy but what about Jerry Jones? theyve already offered $32m and stated he is the #1 most pressing need 11 minutes ago, Bolts223 said: And I think you’re not realizing that it’s damn near impossible to win a SB if you’re paying a QB of Dak’s caliber top dollar. The goal is to win a SB, not be stuck in mediocrity with a QB like Dak sucking up 20-25% of your cap. 25% now? so he is getting $50m/yr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Ive read a couple rumors its not even the $$. Its the contract term. The Cowboys, allegedly, want to "Tyron Smith" him and put him on an absurdly long deal. Ive seen people speculate a 10 year contract. Dak wants a shorter deal that he can renegotiate after the next CBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolts223 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Hukos said: I think you're seriously underestimating how hard it is to find a franchise QB. Deleting because it’s a double post. Edited February 3, 2020 by Bolts223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, Hukos said: I think you're seriously underestimating how hard it is to find a franchise QB. Define franchise QB, because if I was starting an nfl franchise Dak isn't the QB I would want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Dak wants a shorter deal that he can renegotiate after the next CBA. Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Hes going to be the new Cousins... Eventually, someone will pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, MKnight82 said: Everyone other than Cowboys fans "Dak isn't a top 10 QB!" 27 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Define franchise QB, because if I was starting an nfl franchise Dak isn't the QB I would want. I feel like you are trolling me right now because you know I will defend Dak. But your opinion is honestly absurd. A poll that had 670k people voted Dak #6. NFL had him ranked 11 PFF had him 10 FO 6 He was 6th in ANYA 4th in QBR Its not "everyone is saying he isnt top 10", its you (and others on ff.com). Most people either think he is top 10 or really close to it. Its crazy how much this forum hates him and underrates him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I tend to see QB rankings as tiers, not top X whatever. Because at some point there's a dropoff between Elite and Very Good and Good/Above-average. Seems like (almost) everyone is agreeing that Dak isn't in the Elite tier. (R. Wilson - P. Mahomes - D. Watson - A. Rodgers? T. Brady? D. Brees?) Therefore he "shouldn't" be paid Elite money (32-35M+). Just like Goff and Wentz. For me they all are in the Very Good tier or Above-average tier. But that's absolutely not how the NFL works. QB is THE premium position, and they will get paid. It's not like you let your Franchise QB walk over a 2-4M difference. Maybe Dak doesn't "deserve" elite money but he will get it for sure. With the Cowboys. Salary cap is rising, QBs are getting bigger and bigger contract.. And I would think that with competent coaching and a good to great team surrounding him D. Prescott is good enough on his own that he could win a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, MagicMT said: I tend to see QB rankings as tiers, not top X whatever. Because at some point there's a dropoff between Elite and Very Good and Good/Above-average. Seems like (almost) everyone is agreeing that Dak isn't in the Elite tier. (R. Wilson - P. Mahomes - D. Watson - A. Rodgers? T. Brady? D. Brees?) Therefore he "shouldn't" be paid Elite money (32-35M+). Just like Goff and Wentz. For me they all are in the Very Good tier or Above-average tier. But that's absolutely not how the NFL works. QB is THE premium position, and they will get paid. It's not like you let your Franchise QB walk over a 2-4M difference. Maybe Dak doesn't "deserve" elite money but he will get it for sure. With the Cowboys. Salary cap is rising, QBs are getting bigger and bigger contract.. And I would think that with competent coaching and a good to great team surrounding him D. Prescott is good enough on his own that he could win a SB. This is pretty fair. I think the only tier 1 QBs this season were Wilson, Mahomes and Jackson. So after that, you are really just shuffling around everyone else based on preference/biases. For example, I dont think Brady is a top QB at all anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Maybe Brady to Dallas? Always found it weird Dallas, Vegas, and LAC were all 7 to 1 favorites to land Brady like a couple weeks ago. Made no sense to me Dallas was even part of the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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