J-ALL-DAY Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, NcFinest9erFan said: Although the rumor was our own scouts ripped/questioned Kyle and John draft decisions? Matt Miller article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, NcFinest9erFan said: Kyle's face says it all. "When you win an award not named the Lombardi." Exactly what i was thinking looking at this photo. Its a great achievement, but the Lomarbdi trophy is the one they all want...being so close, you can tell thats all they want next year. Luckily, winning these kind of awards tend to lead to more opportunities for a Lombardi...so lets win the 2020-2021 SB AND best 2020 draft!! Edited February 27, 2020 by 49ersfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, NcFinest9erFan said: Although the rumor was our own scouts ripped/questioned Kyle and John draft decisions? Kyle said that all of those stories, as well as the fake rumors that he and lynch were not getting along were due to a single former employee that was unhappy. He said he knew exactly who it was and that he had too much integrity to save a guy's name publicly. So, it was fabricated hogwash 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 18 hours ago, P_locniners said: The more I think about it, it would benefit us greatly (maybe even more than keeping him) to tag and trade Armstead. If we could trade him for a 2nd or 3rd+some later round pick AND trade back from our pick 31, we could completely flip our draft around. At this point, Armstead is a luxury.....i friggin great luxury, but still a luxury. With players like D.J.Jones, Solly, Blair, J. Taylor, Street and possibly re-sign S. Day, I would be more happy just getting the extra draft capitol and saving money. With those picks we could add WR depth, CB/Safety depth, and go find talented rookie EDGE all in the first 3 rounds. I think this would put us in a better position for the future in terms of adding young/talented players and cap space I like this, but like @oldman9er said, would AA really net us that much? He's only had one dynamite year of production. He's teased other years, but couldn't stay healthy. If we did trade AA, I would want Bradlee Anae from Utah with one of those picks. He's more of a 2nd rounder, I think (though I could be wrong!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinerNation21 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Chrissooner49er said: I like this, but like @oldman9er said, would AA really net us that much? He's only had one dynamite year of production. He's teased other years, but couldn't stay healthy. If we did trade AA, I would want Bradlee Anae from Utah with one of those picks. He's more of a 2nd rounder, I think (though I could be wrong!). Yes, I think so. Teams are so hungry for quality pass rushers that they will overpay. This happens every single year. It really helps his case being one of the main contributors all season long that helped to take his team to the Super Bowl. If we were going to trade AA, this is the time to do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_locniners Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 15 hours ago, oldman9er said: I go back n forth when I think about it. Since we are (we are!) so close to another SB, I lean towards keeping him for another year. I just don't feel we would get pick compensation that can aid us as much as AA can in winning the next SB. Guess it just depends on the riches offered. Yep, completely understand this view. I think we saw peak AA and he is a dynamic piece to this defense, but when it comes to what it will take to keep him and the sacrifices that will have to be made at other positions, I think moving him now is the best move. I do believe we could get a 2nd round pick for him, at worst a 3rd,and those additional picks would completely change our draft strategy. I know Armstead played well last season and is most likely to continue that this season. BUT, if we lose E. Sanders and Ward, I would take losing Armstead and gaining draft capitol to sure up these positions, not to mention depth at OG. I guess I just trust the depth we have behind Armstead enough to let him go and draft some high-end (cost-effective) draft picks to fill the void at other positions, it sets us up for the future a bit better IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan77733 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I hope the team keeps Armstead and Sanders. Armstead has done better than Thomas so if I was to let a DL go, it would be Thomas over Armstead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_locniners Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, dan77733 said: I hope the team keeps Armstead and Sanders. Armstead has done better than Thomas so if I was to let a DL go, it would be Thomas over Armstead. True, but at this point we wouldnt get much for Thomas, and that sucks for being an early 1st round pick, also think we would get stuck with a cap hit if we let Thomas go at this point. I would rather see what he can do and send him packing at the end of next season if it doesnt work out. Dont get me wrong, I really like Armstead, but the cost to keep him handicaps us everywhere else, we should strike while the iron is hot and trade him while there is peak value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan77733 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 hours ago, P_locniners said: True, but at this point we wouldnt get much for Thomas, and that sucks for being an early 1st round pick, also think we would get stuck with a cap hit if we let Thomas go at this point. I would rather see what he can do and send him packing at the end of next season if it doesnt work out. Dont get me wrong, I really like Armstead, but the cost to keep him handicaps us everywhere else, we should strike while the iron is hot and trade him while there is peak value. I wouldn't let either go but if was forced to pick one, it would be Thomas simply because he hasn't been as productive as Armstead but at the same time, I don't want to see either go. According to overthecap, 49ers have $13.1m in cap room. Releasing WR Goodwin and RB Coleman would free up $7.2m in cap room putting us over $20m. Re-signing Sanders for at least 2 years shouldn't be difficult while re-signing Armstead to a long term deal shouldn't be that difficult either. I would let Ward leave because he has missed a lot of games and if others here are comfortable with Moore replacing him, I would have no issue with that especially if it means keeping Armstead and Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, dan77733 said: I wouldn't let either go but if was forced to pick one, it would be Thomas simply because he hasn't been as productive as Armstead but at the same time, I don't want to see either go. According to overthecap, 49ers have $13.1m in cap room. Releasing WR Goodwin and RB Coleman would free up $7.2m in cap room putting us over $20m. Re-signing Sanders for at least 2 years shouldn't be difficult while re-signing Armstead to a long term deal shouldn't be that difficult either. I would let Ward leave because he has missed a lot of games and if others here are comfortable with Moore replacing him, I would have no issue with that especially if it means keeping Armstead and Sanders. Armstead isn't getting a long term deal here. He's gone or he plays this season then is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John232 Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I am still so sad. Hope everyone is doing well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie9er Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, John232 said: I am still so sad. Hope everyone is doing well. I feel exactly the same still sad taking me longer to get over it than lose to Ravens. I think having that lead and not holding it is the reason. It will get better when win 2021 SB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, 49erurtaza said: Armstead isn't getting a long term deal here. He's gone or he plays this season then is gone. I'm not so sure about that. A LTD would be cheaper this year than the tag would be and the salary cap is set to go up significantly. Could easily guarantee some big payments in a few years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_locniners Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 12 hours ago, dan77733 said: I wouldn't let either go but if was forced to pick one, it would be Thomas simply because he hasn't been as productive as Armstead but at the same time, I don't want to see either go. According to overthecap, 49ers have $13.1m in cap room. Releasing WR Goodwin and RB Coleman would free up $7.2m in cap room putting us over $20m. Re-signing Sanders for at least 2 years shouldn't be difficult while re-signing Armstead to a long term deal shouldn't be that difficult either. I would let Ward leave because he has missed a lot of games and if others here are comfortable with Moore replacing him, I would have no issue with that especially if it means keeping Armstead and Sanders. Fair enough, i just dont see a long term agreement coming for Armstead given how our cap situation is with the extensions of Buckner and Kittle being worked and players like Tartt that are going to be up for new contracts starting next year. I think that we will only end up keeping 1 of the 3 out of Armstead, Ward and Sanders, this is why I would want to add some draft capitol with an Armstead trade. Also, I am starting to think more and more that Breida may be the odd man out. Coleman will be on the books for around 4 million next season and I believe the cost for Breida would be around 3 million per year, if we can renegotiate with McKinnon (which i think will def happen), I would rather have a Mostert, McKinnon, Coleman RB stable than a Mostert, McKinnon, Breida RB stable We will see, would love them all back on the team, but there is a cap and we dont have much room at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 There really shouldn't be a debate about keeping Thomas over Armstead: One is under contract, the other isn't. One would leave dead money on the books, the other would not. That being said, I would rather keep Armstead but if we could get decent picks for him....I'm all for tagging and trading. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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