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Vic Beasley could be decent in the right system, but it's not in Atlanta. He's a coverage linebacker, not a pass rusher. His pass rushing ability is extremely one-dimensional, all he can really do is a speed rush.

The ideal defensive scheme for Vic Beasley is a 3-4 zone blitz scheme sort of like what the Steelers of the 90's used to run. He still wouldn't be amazing, but he'd be a nice piece as an OLB in that system. His coverage abilities are actually pretty good, way better than what you would expect based on his mediocre pass rushing abilities. Just don't have him rush the passer, he's terrible at it.

That's the thing with Beasley, given his draft spot, he was supposed to be the guy that was going to fix our abhorrent defense and... he's a JAG. He's just a guy. There's a couple of nice qualities about him and a lot of mediocrity.

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1 minute ago, Hukos said:

Vic Beasley could be decent in the right system, but it's not in Atlanta. He's a coverage linebacker, not a pass rusher. His pass rushing ability is extremely one-dimensional, all he can really do is a speed rush.

The ideal defensive scheme for Vic Beasley is a 3-4 zone blitz scheme sort of like what the Steelers of the 90's used to run. He still wouldn't be amazing, but he'd be a nice piece as an OLB in that system. His coverage abilities are actually pretty good, way better than what you would expect based on his mediocre pass rushing abilities. Just don't have him rush the passer, he's terrible at it.

That's the thing with Beasley, given his draft spot, he was supposed to be the guy that was going to fix our abhorrent defense and... he's a JAG. He's just a guy. There's a couple of nice qualities about him and a lot of mediocrity.

What about moving him to MLB?  

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i actually like him going to Detroit. i think it could be a great "buy low" type guy

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15 minutes ago, flyguy1609 said:

i actually like him going to Detroit. i think it could be a great "buy low" type guy

We do need a coverage guy. Funny enough, Jarrad Davis is a pretty good rusher but terrible in coverage. If only there was a way we could merge these guys into one relatively decent player. 

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34 minutes ago, Hukos said:

Vic Beasley could be decent in the right system, but it's not in Atlanta. He's a coverage linebacker, not a pass rusher. His pass rushing ability is extremely one-dimensional, all he can really do is a speed rush.

The ideal defensive scheme for Vic Beasley is a 3-4 zone blitz scheme sort of like what the Steelers of the 90's used to run. He still wouldn't be amazing, but he'd be a nice piece as an OLB in that system. His coverage abilities are actually pretty good, way better than what you would expect based on his mediocre pass rushing abilities. Just don't have him rush the passer, he's terrible at it.

That's the thing with Beasley, given his draft spot, he was supposed to be the guy that was going to fix our abhorrent defense and... he's a JAG. He's just a guy. There's a couple of nice qualities about him and a lot of mediocrity.

For someone who didn't really pay attention to him the year he blew up... how/why exactly did he just randomly have a season with 15.5 sacks? Were a lot of them coverage sacks? 

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4 minutes ago, BaltimoreTerp said:

For someone who didn't really pay attention to him the year he blew up... how/why exactly did he just randomly have a season with 15.5 sacks? Were a lot of them coverage sacks? 

Had really low pressure numbers around that. Most of the time he got pressure it turned in a sack which simply isn't sustainable.

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8 minutes ago, BaltimoreTerp said:

For someone who didn't really pay attention to him the year he blew up... how/why exactly did he just randomly have a season with 15.5 sacks? Were a lot of them coverage sacks? 

1. The Falcons had one of the greatest and most efficient offenses of all time. You couldn't sit around and play the field position game against us that year, you had to score a lot to win. This forces opposing offenses to hold the ball (which is crucial for getting a lot of sacks) when they might otherwise throw it away and live to fight another down.

2. Vic got his sacks vs. some pretty garbage tackles, all things considered. I believe he got half of his production in two games? Someone can correct me on that. But as it was mentioned, Vic didn't get many pressures, he just turned his rate of pressures into sacks at an absurd ratio. I complained back in 2016 that Vic disappeared in critical defensive drives in a lot of games, and that proved to be fatal in the end.

3. Literally all he can do as a pass rusher is speed rush. He has no technique, no ability to fight off better tackles at the line of scrimmage.

He does have some nice, above average coverage ability though. It's why we kept putting Vic into coverage the last few years. He's just not a good pass rusher.

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Coverage LBs who can rush the passer are incredibly valuable. What happened with him? Wrong scheme? 

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Just now, sdrawkcab321 said:

Coverage LBs who can rush the passer are incredibly valuable. What happened with him? Wrong scheme? 

I mentioned this in the free agency thread a while back ago, but the kind of scheme that Vic needs to succeed is the exactly the kind of scheme that our best defensive player, Grady Jarrett, would be horrible in. A 3-4 zone blitz scheme is ideal for Vic, but Grady Jarrett is not the gigantic nose tackle you need in that kind of scheme.

Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - but Grady's ceiling is so much higher than Vic's I'd rather run a defense that fits Grady better than Vic.

Also Vic is a bad pass rusher. Very bad at it. Maybe someone can teach him something other than a speed rush on another team.

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1 hour ago, Hukos said:

Vic Beasley could be decent in the right system, but it's not in Atlanta. He's a coverage linebacker, not a pass rusher. His pass rushing ability is extremely one-dimensional, all he can really do is a speed rush.

The ideal defensive scheme for Vic Beasley is a 3-4 zone blitz scheme sort of like what the Steelers of the 90's used to run. He still wouldn't be amazing, but he'd be a nice piece as an OLB in that system. His coverage abilities are actually pretty good, way better than what you would expect based on his mediocre pass rushing abilities. Just don't have him rush the passer, he's terrible at it.

That's the thing with Beasley, given his draft spot, he was supposed to be the guy that was going to fix our abhorrent defense and... he's a JAG. He's just a guy. There's a couple of nice qualities about him and a lot of mediocrity.

How do you feel he'd project as a SLB in a 4-3 scheme?

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4 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

How do you feel he'd project as a SLB in a 4-3 scheme?

Honestly... I'm not sure. Depends on what kind of talent is around him. Vic is never going to be the guy. He's your 6th piece that can do a nice thing once in a while. If a bunch of guys are making plays, Vic will make a nice play every now and then. However, if your defense is struggling collectively, don't expect Vic to pick up the pieces. I mention a 3-4 zone blitz because the gigantic defensive line guys in those schemes really overwhelms offensive linemen, so those 3 guys plus a couple linebackers blitzing can really take the pressure off of Vic needing any kind of real technical skills to get past the tackles for the sack. And most of the time you can just have him sit back in coverage.

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