PFF Week 2 Recap

[ditchdigger]

4 hours ago, pnies20 said:

They were right on point about our LBs. They were the total opposite of last week. 

Stark difference from week 1, and coming on the heels of praise from their coordinator.  

Some egos were put in check today.

[ditchdigger]

4 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

He was cleared by the medical staff and an independent neurologist (the type of specialty that manages migraines).

A migraine that has resolved isn't a health concern.

If it wasn't a health concern, it was surely a vision and cognitive processing issue.  Only going to make it worse running the kid directly into a goal line defense.  There are times for that.  That wasn't one of them. That was a time for Crow or Matt Dayes.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

4 hours ago, ditchdigger said:

If it wasn't a health concern, it was surely a vision and cognitive processing issue.  Only going to make it worse running the kid directly into a goal line defense.  There are times for that.  That wasn't one of them. That was a time for Crow or Matt Dayes.

Based on what exactly Dr.?

2 MD's (including an independent neurologist) and Kizer himself said it wasn't an issue, as did the head coach who spoke with him directly to confirm, but ditchdigger, internet forum opinion specialist, knows better?

If you don't like the play call, so be it, but to use a medical condition as justification when the only issue is in your head (so to speak) seems a bit absurd.

[ditchdigger]

2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Based on what exactly Dr.?

2 MD's (including an independent neurologist) and Kizer himself said it wasn't an issue, as did the head coach who spoke with him directly to confirm, but ditchdigger, internet forum opinion specialist, knows better?

If you don't like the play call, so be it, but to use a medical condition as justification when the only issue is in your head (so to speak) seems a bit absurd.

Not as absurd as running him on 1st and Goal. Seriously. It was stupid, even if he was 100%.

[Thomas5737]

2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Based on what exactly Dr.?

2 MD's (including an independent neurologist) and Kizer himself said it wasn't an issue, as did the head coach who spoke with him directly to confirm, but ditchdigger, internet forum opinion specialist, knows better?

If you don't like the play call, so be it, but to use a medical condition as justification when the only issue is in your head (so to speak) seems a bit absurd.

To be fair the doctors and neurologists don't really know much about migraines,  some reasons or causes can be explained but in other cases and probably the majority it is simply unknown. They don't really treat the migraine they only treat the symptoms. If you have an aura migraine (I have a head cold and woke up seeing transparent squiggly lines to the left of my vision this morning accompanied by a mild headache which is a normal precursor for a migraine for me and I really shouldn't be looking at a screen right now but I'm dumb) then your vision is effected prior to the migraine and in my case sometimes for a day after the migraine on the really bad ones and while all migraines are probably different, I only know how I get them, in my case it would certainly be a detriment to play QB at the NFL level before during and after.

I question if he had a migraine opposed to just a headache more than I question anything else.

Either way in 19 snaps Hogan got us 10 points (and gave away 7) while Kizer got us 0 points in 44 snaps. We have 3 young quarterbacks on our roster, the McCown playing over a rookie complaint isn't going to work because all three are rookie or second year players so if Kizer loses snaps it is to another young guy who is hopeful to be our QBOTF. Kizer was off, Hogan was hit or miss but was the better option to complete the game. I know I took this a long way from the topic it is just my thoughts and I'm sick so complain and I'll cough on you.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

44 minutes ago, ditchdigger said:

Not as absurd as running him on 1st and Goal. Seriously. It was stupid, even if he was 100%.

I won't argue the hate for the play call because I hate putting your qb in a position to take a hit, but it worked last week in fairness to Hue.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

18 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said:

To be fair the doctors and neurologists don't really know much about migraines,  some reasons or causes can be explained but in other cases and probably the majority it is simply unknown. They don't really treat the migraine they only treat the symptoms. If you have an aura migraine (I have a head cold and woke up seeing transparent squiggly lines to the left of my vision this morning accompanied by a mild headache which is a normal precursor for a migraine for me and I really shouldn't be looking at a screen right now but I'm dumb) then your vision is effected prior to the migraine and in my case sometimes for a day after the migraine on the really bad ones and while all migraines are probably different, I only know how I get them, in my case it would certainly be a detriment to play QB at the NFL level before during and after.

I question if he had a migraine opposed to just a headache more than I question anything else.

Either way in 19 snaps Hogan got us 10 points (and gave away 7) while Kizer got us 0 points in 44 snaps. We have 3 young quarterbacks on our roster, the McCown playing over a rookie complaint isn't going to work because all three are rookie or second year players so if Kizer loses snaps it is to another young guy who is hopeful to be our QBOTF. Kizer was off, Hogan was hit or miss but was the better option to complete the game. I know I took this a long way from the topic it is just my thoughts and I'm sick so complain and I'll cough on you.

Cough on me all you like you sickly wimp, ain't gonna bother me.

Hogan should look better at times he's nearly 25 and has played a lot more football than Kizer. Hogan may very well be the best option if your goal is to win RIGHT NOW, but Hue and many here think Kizer may be the qbotf and a legit starting talent. If that's the case you have to let the kid take his lumps and play.

A game like this was inevitable, we'll most likely see another ugly game or two this season too, that just comes with developing a young, inexperienced qb.  Especially on the road (for the first time) against a defense that looks absolutely filthy. 

[Thomas5737]

2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Cough on me all you like you sickly wimp, ain't gonna bother me.

Hogan should look better at times he's nearly 25 and has played a lot more football than Kizer. Hogan may very well be the best option if your goal is to win RIGHT NOW, but Hue and many here think Kizer may be the qbotf and a legit starting talent. If that's the case you have to let the kid take his lumps and play.

A game like this was inevitable, we'll most likely see another ugly game or two this season too, that just comes with developing a young, inexperienced qb.  Especially on the road (for the first time) against a defense that looks absolutely filthy. 

I wasn't saying that Kizer should lose his job but if Hogan were to play lights out, which is unlikely, then eventually you may have to consider that. I wouldn't ignore any player on the roster just because the player in front of him projects to be better. He'd just have more to prove but if he did prove it then all is fair...

[Mastercheddaar]

Correct me if wrong but isn't a run game a rookie QB's best friend? 

 

That is all

Mastercheddaar

[Thomas5737]

1 hour ago, Mastercheddaar said:

Correct me if wrong but isn't a run game a rookie QB's best friend? 

 

That is all

Mastercheddaar

It can be. Also studs at WR and TE can be. A great offensive line can be. A great D also can be. In any case the QB has to take care of his own business, whatever that may be, and being able to do that is really his best friend. No matter how crappy things around you are you can still shine. Still waiting to see that.

[matt27j]

Deshone yet again unwilling to hit the corners like Hogan did. If you're going to stand in there all day you might as well throw it deep. Then when he came back from migraine he made terrible decisions. Keeping the ball on read option, then not running it up in there at the goal line, the int's, not looking Higgins way... Plus the general inaccuracy. WR's outside of Higgins didn't make things any easier.

Crow made things more difficult as well. Refuses to bounce outside, missed easy gain up middle which could have been 10+, allowed a free blitzer up middle. Duke doesn't chip in blocks either. Zeitler and Coleman gotta get this teamwork thing figured out. 

Defensively, Collins and Ogbah were horrible. Very passive and consistently got turned or didn't contain the edge. Collins was especially infuriating because he could of had several hits on the QB or TFL's if he just attacked the edge but instead took himself out of so many plays that led ultimately to points for the Ravens. Shelton still plays like he's in the 3-4 sometimes. Greg keeping Peppers back when we desperately needed someone else to help on the edge and cover the TE's but it would have been fine if our LB's weren't playing so uncertain and slow. Sometimes they would do a half crap blitz and leave a TE wide open. Maybe Kindred was blowing some of his responsibilities who knows.

On a positive note Orchard, Nassib, and Ogunjobi looked good, especially Ogunjobi. Coley looked good except near the end he took himself out of the play and let a big gain up the middle. Nassib got lost on a TE screen to Williams up the middle. Meder hustled as usual. Lots of uncalled holds by the Ravens but that's to be expected. 

Scho and Kirk were looking slow since they were uncertain. Not near as bad as Collins though.

Considering Collins pay, and the difference he could have made if he just played the game with some semblance of football IQ, he gets my defensive egg for the week. Next up is G Will for keeping Peppers back so far despite our struggles. He brought him up in the 3rd and hat do you know Peppers was making tackles. If we'd just scheme the game the way it is supposed to be played maybe juice could get his hands on the ball or force some fumbles. 

The QBs get the egg on offense, followed by Shon Coleman. Pushed back, allowing inside moves, not getting off blocks to get the blitzer. 

Hopefully these guys can only go up from here. 

 

[Reginaldm9]

Play calling is definitely a factor in the outcome of this game. The QB sneaks seem to be our go-to play and I have no idea why when we have a RB known for running straight ahead. I'm also unimpressed with adjustments made after half as there didn't really seem to be any. 

[DizzyDean]

5 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Cough on me all you like you sickly wimp, ain't gonna bother me.

Hogan should look better at times he's nearly 25 and has played a lot more football than Kizer. Hogan may very well be the best option if your goal is to win RIGHT NOW, but Hue and many here think Kizer may be the qbotf and a legit starting talent. If that's the case you have to let the kid take his lumps and play.

A game like this was inevitable, we'll most likely see another ugly game or two this season too, that just comes with developing a young, inexperienced qb.  Especially on the road (for the first time) against a defense that looks absolutely filthy. 

Don't you mean another game or 12 like this?

[Rod Johnson]

On 9/17/2017 at 5:57 PM, ditchdigger said:

Running a QB sweep on 1st and Goal from the 7 with a player who missed half a game with a migraine is beyond questionable. It's downright stupid.

I swear we ran that garbage from around the 2-4 yard line and got knocked back to the 7, when I saw us line up in shotgun formation I was so frustrated.  Can Kizer take snaps from under center?  Why is our run game mostly shotgun draws where we try and make Crowell be a patient runner (the opposite of what he's good at)?  I agree.  I respect Hue's pedigree but the offensive play calling makes no sense to me at all.

[Thomas5737]

1 hour ago, Rod Johnson said:

I swear we ran that garbage from around the 2-4 yard line and got knocked back to the 7, when I saw us line up in shotgun formation I was so frustrated.  Can Kizer take snaps from under center?  Why is our run game mostly shotgun draws where we try and make Crowell be a patient runner (the opposite of what he's good at)?  I agree.  I respect Hue's pedigree but the offensive play calling makes no sense to me at all.

I think that is just where Kizer is comfortable. It isn't ideal for Crowell or even our running or playaction game in general but if Kizer isn't comfortable throwing from under center you can't really go to it just to run because everyone knows what you're doing.