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Should the Cowboys TRADE Dak?

Should the Cowboys Trade Dak Prescott?  

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  1. 1. Should the Cowboys Trade Dak Prescott?

    • Yes! Trade him, improve other areas of the team and let MM develop a rookie.
    • No! He's a great quarterback and those are hard to find. Pay the man!


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Just now, Matts4313 said:

Do you have any sort of study to back this up? 

I don't. I'm going based on memory the number of QB's on rookie deals in the playoffs. You can make the case the "team friendly deal" is similar to a rookie deal since it's the same premise so the numbers could be higher. I just just used rookie deals for now. But off hand let's see what I can put together...

2019: 5 of 12 teams or 41%

2018: 6 of 12 teams or 50% (didn't count Wentz since Foles played)

2017: 2 of 12 teams or 17% (Didn't count Wentz since Foles played)

2016: 3 of 12 teams or 25%

2015: 3 of 12 teams or 25%

You see the trend is going up and can be viewed as higher if you consider Wentz in '17 and '18 along with Brock Osweiler and Brian Hoyer in '15 and '16 considering how cheap they were.

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9 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Theyve offered him less than Wentz and Goff, even though he has been better than both in every measurable way, especially when you factor in fumbles. Weve been cheap. 

 

And still, the Cowboys didn't win the division in 2019.  This whole argument may be worthless because your biggest problem was probably coaching, but it just seems like if you can get another young guy and coach him up to be on the level of Dak, Wentz, Goff, Cousins, Garoppolo, etc., in a year or two, AND have money to add a couple of quality free agents in other areas of the team, you might be better off.  Matts, I know you are a big fan of Dak, and I don't blame you for that.  If you think it's not worth shipping out a very good quarterback, that is certainly a valid point.  As you have stated, none of us knows if the rookie you draft would actually be any good.  He could bust.

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2 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

Dak is better than Wentz and Goff in every measurable way.

in 2020 by a narrow margin, because he padded his stats against bad times and in garbage time and had one of the best offensive supporting casts in the league.

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34 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Theyve offered him less than Wentz and Goff, even though he has been better than both in every measurable way, especially when you factor in fumbles. Weve been cheap. 

 

Except he plays in an easier division than Goff and hasn't been to a SuperBowl yet. Also, played in 10 less games than Dak. So if you use their per game stats, Goff is better in YPG and TD per game.... so he's not better in every measurable way lmao hard to find ANY measurable way besides edging him out in INT ratio. (0.6 v. 0.8)

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2 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

And before anyone starts with their crap, remember: Dak is better than Wentz and Goff in every measurable way. Better bulk and efficiency stats. More accolades. More wins/comebacks/etc. Better individual stats in the playoffs. 

Give me Wentz over Dak all day.

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I think they should trade him if they intend to use the tag. But ideally, they should sign long-term.

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7 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said:

I don't. I'm going based on memory the number of QB's on rookie deals in the playoffs. You can make the case the "team friendly deal" is similar to a rookie deal since it's the same premise so the numbers could be higher. I just just used rookie deals for now. But off hand let's see what I can put together...

2019: 5 of 12 teams or 41%

2018: 6 of 12 teams or 50% (didn't count Wentz since Foles played)

2017: 2 of 12 teams or 17% (Didn't count Wentz since Foles played)

2016: 3 of 12 teams or 25%

2015: 3 of 12 teams or 25%

You see the trend is going up and can be viewed as higher if you consider Wentz in '17 and '18 along with Brock Osweiler and Brian Hoyer in '15 and '16 considering how cheap they were.

Is the trend really going up? Or were there a couple anomalies? Every few years you get a batch of really awesome rookies. I bet you could find a similar ~2 year stretch in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.

 

This feels like 'living in the moment' to me. 

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1 hour ago, Uncle Buck said:

And still, the Cowboys didn't win the division in 2019.

Just so you know, I despise this argument. Every QB in the world outside of like Brady/Manning missed the playoffs multiple times in their career. 

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1 hour ago, Danger said:

because he padded his stats against bad times and in garbage time

Been disproved.

57 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said:

Except he plays in an easier division than Goff

Your division has been better for like 45 seconds. Chill out. 

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58 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said:

So if you use their per game stats, Goff is better in YPG and TD per game.... so he's not better in every measurable way lmao hard to find ANY measurable way besides edging him out in INT ratio. (0.6 v. 0.8)

They are tied in total yards, Dak wins in total TDs and Goff is way way behind when you include fumbles + INTs. 

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2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Is the trend really going up? Or were there a couple anomalies? Every few years you get a batch of really awesome rookies. I bet you could find a similar ~2 year stretch in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.

 

This feels like 'living in the moment' to me. 

Going to disagree with you on this one. But only way to see is time. 

 

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1 minute ago, Matts4313 said:

They are tied in total yards, Dak wins in total TDs and Goff is way way behind when you include fumbles + INTs. 

No sense in using totals. Dak played in 10 more games. 

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Durability is a factor and Dak is extremely durable, no question.  However, if you were to build a franchise around your QB you would be smart to start with Wentz, then Dak, then Goff -- IMO

Part of the Cowboys problem is that Jones has paid Elliott, Jaylon Smith, and Demarcus Lawrence -- and they all played in 2019 like they got fat.

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17 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Just so you know, I despise this argument. Every QB in the world outside of like Brady/Manning missed the playoffs multiple times in their career. 

I don't blame Dak for missing the playoffs.  He is probably the least of their worries.  I blame The Clapper for your team's struggles.  He won't be a problem anymore.  My point was mainly questioning whether having Dak and a big salary would be better than a young, developing QB and a couple of key free agents.  It could make the difference between winning a Super Bowl in the next 4-5 years, but I am certainly no expert on this stuff.  I'm a typical armchair GM, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.  :)

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I'll include Dak's rookie year since Matts would have a fit if I didn't.

Dak Prescott Passing Statistics for Career Games 2016 to 2019

  Games Passing   Passing  
Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
Average 16 16   340.8 517.7   3944.5 24.3   9                 34 206.5          
Per 16 Games 16 16   341 518   3944 24   9                 34 206      
2016-2019 DAL 64 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 4.7 36 1.7 90 7.6 7.8 11.6 246.5 97.0   136 826 6.77 6.92 6.2    

Carson Wentz Passing Statistics for Career Games 2017 to 2019

  Games Passing   Passing  
Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
Average 13.3 13.3   310.7 482.7   3469.7 27   7                 32 198          
Per 16 Games 16 16   373 579   4164 32   8                 38 238          
2017-2019 PHI 40 40 25-15-0 932 1448 64.4 10409 81 5.6 21 1.5 72 7.2 7.7 11.2 260.2 98.3   96 594 6.36 6.79 6.2    

Jared Goff Passing Statistics for Career Games 2017 to 2019

  Games Passing   Passing  
Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
Average 15.7 15.7   351.3 554.7   4376.7 27.3   11.7                 26.7 188.3          
Per 16 Games 16 16   359 566   4470 28   12                 27 192
2017-2019 RAM 47 47 33-14-0 1054 1664 63.3 13130 82 4.9 35 2.1 94 7.9 7.9 12.5 279.4 95.4   80 565 7.20 7.24 4.6    

PER16
Dak Prescott - 341/518 (65.8%), 3944 Yards, 24.3 TD, 9 INT (97.0 Passer Rating)
Carson Wentz - 373/579 (64.4%), 32.4 TD, 8.4 INT, (98.3 Passer Rating)
Jared Goff - 359/566 (63.3%) - 27.9 TD, 11.9 INT (95.4 Passer Rating)

 

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