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9 minutes ago, The_Romen said:

Go all in on Trubs, replace Trubs, or hope he gets hurt/plays poorly so they replace him mid-season... What other option is there?

Buy a real insurance policy in case he sucks that you can roll into 2021 with.

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3 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

Moore cost you $3 million a season...Dalton costs you $13 million...that is the difference...you get Dalton you miss out on two or maybe even three others that help you overall.

I don't think he'll cost that much, especially considering the amount of QB's that will be hitting FA this off season.  Just look at what Tannehill got last year.

My guess is Dalton makes no more than $7-8M on a 1-year deal with escalators for good performance/playing time.

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11 hours ago, WindyCity said:

There is going to be roster changes because Mitch needs way more help and support.

Good that's what is needed.  Like I said whether the starting QB in week 1 is Mitch or Tom Brady, they need to improve the support around that QB if the offense is going to have a chance at being successful.

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14 minutes ago, topwop1 said:

I don't think he'll cost that much, especially considering the amount of QB's that will be hitting FA this off season.  Just look at what Tannehill got last year.

My guess is Dalton makes no more than $7-8M on a 1-year deal with escalators for good performance/playing time.

That's a great scenario and lets the Bears focus on other positions. I would be happy getting Dalton for Daniel money.  In a normal year it wouldn't happen but the QB FA market is decidedly weird this year. 

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Re: Dalton, even if he could get us to the postseason in a “savior of seasons” role are we gonna just ignore that he’s been 0-4 in the postseason and Grossman in SBXLI levels of bad in those 4 appearances like that doesn’t actually matter? 

Dalton isn’t winning us a championship in 2020. The only shot we have at winning a title next year are if we can persuade Brady or Brees to come here (not happening) or if Mitch steps up. Dalton isn’t winning is a championship in 2021 either. He’s a placeholder to mediocrity. 

Trying to win a title should be all that matters. 

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18 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

Re: Dalton, even if he could get us to the postseason in a “savior of seasons” role are we gonna just ignore that he’s been 0-4 in the postseason and Grossman in SBXLI levels of bad in those 4 appearances like that doesn’t actually matter? 

Dalton isn’t winning us a championship in 2020. The only shot we have at winning a title next year are if we can persuade Brady or Brees to come here (not happening) or if Mitch steps up. Dalton isn’t winning is a championship in 2021 either. He’s a placeholder to mediocrity. 

Trying to win a title should be all that matters. 

Agreed but let's look at the Tenessee Titans...they were 1 game away from a making a SB appearance after heading into the season with a murky QB situation similar to what we are currently facing and they signed a "backup" who is awfully similar to Dalton in Tannehill who showed he could be good enough to have them compete for a title.

Now just imagine Tannehill started out of the gate for the Titans in 2019 instead of coming in week 7,  the Titans potentially could have won at least 3 more games out of the 4 they lost with Mariota starting and obtained the #2 seed, and they could have been hosting the AFC Championship instead and we could be talking about a potential SB Champion team.

Just something to think about...

I don't think Bears should be complacent with the backup QB spot just because they are all in and committed to Mitch.  They still need to have a plan B because for all we know if Pace & Nagy don't have a good showing next season, they could both be out the door.

What you're proposing may be best for the team in the long run but GM's and coaches don't think like that when they are operating on borrowed time.

Edited by topwop1

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With the limited cap space, no chance at Brady/Brees, why spend money on a middling option? They should re-tool the line, give Mitch as many weapons as they can, help out the run game, and make it so Trubs has no other excuse.

Draft a late round qb, whatever, just don't spend money on average.

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Ryan Tannehill had never gotten a team to the playoffs before. 

The point is to have an option to turn to and not having yourself pot committed to a QB coming off a brutal season and who has shown nothing more than being average at his peak,

Is Dalton perfect? no.

Was Tannehill perfect? no.

But you have to have an option. You would not go out to sea on a leaky ship without a decent life boat.

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Just now, The_Romen said:

With the limited cap space, no chance at Brady/Brees, why spend money on a middling option? They should re-tool the line, give Mitch as many weapons as they can, help out the run game, and make it so Trubs has no other excuse.

Draft a late round qb, whatever, just don't spend money on average.

Because if 2019 Mitch shows up your season is over. Dead, and you have no options.

Average got them to the playoffs in 2018. Average would have been a huge upgrade from last season.

 

People act like this team cannot win with average, it can, they did in 2018 and they won 8 games with a QB pissing down his leg for all of 2019.

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2 minutes ago, The_Romen said:

With the limited cap space, no chance at Brady/Brees, why spend money on a middling option? They should re-tool the line, give Mitch as many weapons as they can, help out the run game, and make it so Trubs has no other excuse.

Draft a late round qb, whatever, just don't spend money on average.

Well, we also need a backup QB as Daniel is expensive and poor, and whatever his bench-coach role was it doesn't seem to have worked

So if you're going to dump that much money on a backup, you might as well get someone who can play better than Daniel

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Just now, WindyCity said:

Because if 2019 Mitch shows up your season is over. Dead, and you have no options.

Average got them to the playoffs in 2018. Average would have been a huge upgrade from last season.

 

People act like this team cannot win with average, it can, they did in 2018 and they won 8 games with a QB pissing down his leg for all of 2019.

Average won us a wildcard spot and an exit.

Yay.

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6 minutes ago, The_Romen said:

Average won us a wildcard spot and an exit.

Yay.

Once you are in the playoffs you never know what can happen.

Average took the Titans to the AFC Championship. Slightly above average took the 49ers to a 10 point lead in the Super Bowl. Average took the Vikings to a playoff road win in the Super Dome.

The results of one game to not cast a determination on the ceiling of average QB play.

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22 minutes ago, RunningVaccs said:

Well, we also need a backup QB as Daniel is expensive and poor, and whatever his bench-coach role was it doesn't seem to have worked

So if you're going to dump that much money on a backup, you might as well get someone who can play better than Daniel

Bingo.  At the same price point I'd much rather have Dalton as a backup to Mitch than I would Daniel.

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I sign Dalton for 7/season [the Tannehill deal]

Mitch gets 4-6 games to start to show that at a minimum he is playing at the 2018 level.

If Mitch is playing like 2019 after 4-6 games he hits the bench and we give Dalton a try.


You can insert Mariota or on the low end Keenum into Dalton's spot.

I am not sure why this is a crazy idea.

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22 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

Once you are in the playoffs you never know what can happen.

Average took the Titans to the AFC Championship. Slightly above average took the 49ers to a 10 point lead in the Super Bowl. Average took the Vikings to a playoff road win in the Super Dome.

The results of one game to not cast a determination on the ceiling of average QB play.

The titans had a great defense and an insanely great run game. They fully committed to kicking *** and running hard. They established an identity... Something Nagy hasn't done so far.

Edited by The_Romen

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