dtait93 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, RabidPanther89 said: I bet you laugh to yourself a lot. Nah just at Cam stans who think he's a good thrower when his cmp% is equal to Blake Bortles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidPanther89 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Nah just at Cam stans who think he's a good thrower when his cmp% is equal to Blake Bortles. Yet everyone knows Cam is better. Sorry the real world lives outside your fantasy calculator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, RabidPanther89 said: Yet everyone knows Cam is better. Sorry the real world lives outside your fantasy calculator. Reading comprehension would help you bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidPanther89 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, dtait93 said: Reading comprehension would help you bud Critical thinking would do wonders for you too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, RabidPanther89 said: Critical thinking would do wonders for you too Already have it. It’s why I’ve dismantled every one of your arguments and debunked all of your lies leading to you tapping out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrnastiesNO Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 11:08 AM, iknowcool said: Okay... but the thread is top 10 QBs of 2010s. What does someone being better in 2008 have to do with that? And if that's the case, then why is Newton the only one who drew your ire? Stafford wouldn't be a top 10 QB either if we considered 2008 or QBs playing right now. Hence why the thread is top 10 QBs of the 2010s. Do you agree or not agree that Newton is a top 10 QB of the 2010s? Stafford gets a pass in my book. There just something about the Lions organization that just refuses to be a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrnastiesNO Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 2:19 PM, Danger said: After their rookie seasons. Andrew Luck Passing Statistics for Career Games 2013 to 2018 Games Passing Passing Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Average 14 14 332.2 532.6 3859.4 29.6 13 26.6 175.6 Per 16 Games 16 16 380 609 4411 34 15 30 201 2013-2018 CLT 70 70 42-28-0 1661 2663 62.4 19297 148 5.6 65 2.4 87 7.2 7.3 11.6 275.7 92.6 133 878 6.59 6.60 4.8 Cam Newton Passing Statistics for Career Games 2012 to 2019 Games Passing Passing Year Tm G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD Average 13.6 13.5 257.6 432.9 3123.8 20.1 11.4 32 242.4 Per 16 Games 16 16 303 508 3668 24 13 38 285 2012-2019 CAR 109 108 62-45-1 2061 3463 59.5 24990 161 4.6 91 2.6 88 7.2 7.0 12.1 229.3 86.3 256 1939 6.20 5.96 6.9 Luck Per 16 - 380/609 (62.4%), 4411 Yds, 34 TD, 15 INT, 305 Yds Rush, 1.8 TD, 8 Fumbles Newton per 16 - 303/508 (59.5%), 3668 Yds, 24 TD, 13 INT, 602 Yds Rush, 5.5 TD, 7 Fumbles Total Yards- Luck - 4716 Newton - 4270 Total TD- Luck - 35.8 Newton - 29.5 Total Turnover (INT + Fum) Luck - 23 Newton - 20 Sack Percentage- Luck - 4.8% Newton - 6.9% Make of these stats what you will, but it's clear as day to me that Luck was better than Newton. Newton Rushing can't be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidPanther89 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, dtait93 said: Already have it. It’s why I’ve dismantled every one of your arguments and debunked all of your lies leading to you tapping out. No you didn’t. Of course you would say every QB is in 2nd and 3rd and long when the running game doesn’t work. But what you aren’t getting is that Cam is the running game. If first down is a short gain then it’s another pass attempt he doesn’t have under 2nd and long, within 1st and 10. If he’s not throwing on 1st and 10 then he has more pressure to throw for conversions on the following downs. You aren’t comprehending how that would affect his stats. You’re arguments are surface level, lack intellectual thought, and context. If you want the last word so you can be childish and feel better about your life then you can have it. I’m not trying to get this thread locked from serious discussion. At the end of the day you’re still going to be mad about it. So say something snarky and prove my point. Edited February 19, 2020 by RabidPanther89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidPanther89 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, MrnastiesNO said: Newton Rushing can't be ignored. Apparently on internet forum world it can. Because playing to win doesn’t matter. Only vacuum stats matter so arm chair QBs can debate their favorite stat padder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, RabidPanther89 said: No you didn’t. Oh I absolutely did. You claimed Newton was better at chunk passing plays and being clutch. I refuted both points and your only rebuttal was, "small sample size" which was also disproved. You also had no logical refutation to Cam's terrible completion percentage. You said he doesn't make the short easy throws because he doesn't trust his receivers so he runs for them instead. As someone who has watched nearly every one of his snaps that is a bold faced lie. Not only is it a lie, but you have no data to back up that claim and it doesn't even make sense. He won't throw an easy short pass because he doesn't trust his receivers, but he will throw the intermediate and deep pass when those are harder catches for his receivers to make? You're literally blowing smoke out of your ***. He's an inaccurate passer plain and simple. The stats prove it and the eye test shows it. It's not even a debate and you're bias is obvious. 7 hours ago, RabidPanther89 said: Of course you would say every QB is in 2nd and 3rd and long when the running game doesn’t work. But what you aren’t getting is that Cam is the running game. If first down is a short gain then it’s another pass attempt he doesn’t have under 2nd and long, within 1st and 10. If he’s not throwing on 1st and 10 then he has more pressure to throw for conversions on the following downs. You aren’t comprehending how that would affect his stats Every QB is under more pressure to convert when the down and distance is longer. Sorry to burst your bubble, but this isn't unique to Cam even if he is the running game and the offense is reliant on him. His stats are effected the same exact way every other QB's are if the run is stifled on 1st and 2nd down. You either make the throws or you don't. Edited February 19, 2020 by dtait93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, MrnastiesNO said: Newton Rushing can't be ignored. I'm NOT Ignoring it here lmao On 2/12/2020 at 3:19 PM, Danger said: Total Yards- Luck - 4716 Newton - 4270Total TD- Luck - 35.8 Newton - 29.5 And rushing by a QB is purely supplemental. It can not be used to mask bad passing. Edited February 19, 2020 by Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 hours ago, RabidPanther89 said: Apparently on internet forum world it can. Because playing to win doesn’t matter. Only vacuum stats matter so arm chair QBs can debate their favorite stat padder. You literally didn't even read my post lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synopsis Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 12 hours ago, dtait93 said: Nah just at Cam stans who think he's a good thrower when his cmp% is equal to Blake Bortles. Was Andrew Luck an accurate quarterback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 If you’re looking at the numbers and team success there is no real argument for luck being on some other level than Cam Newton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Synopsis said: Was Andrew Luck an accurate quarterback? Overall no he struggled with it. Looking at his career arc though he became more and more accurate as the years passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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