SemperFeist Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, dc_vikingfan said: you can't keep spending your premium picks on one position. Of course you can. CB is a premium position. QB, OT, Pass rusher, and CB should really be all you use a 1st rounder on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: Of course you can. CB is a premium position. QB, OT, Pass rusher, and CB should really be all you use a 1st rounder on. I agree with your assessment of premium positions. I’d even throw Safety in there as well if you’re can land a special player. A Safety like Smith can be a game changer for a defense. But I get why the position is often ignored as a premium position, it’s easy to find plug and play types that can develop into mediocre to good players like Sendejo and Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, dc_vikingfan said: With so many teams struggling, roster turnover on defense, no preseason/COVID, and new contract. I'm accepting the fact of the Wilfs will keep the Rick/Zim for at least one more year. Unless the team quits on him the rest of the season. I just hope Rick says no if Zim wants another 1st rd CB. you can't keep spending your premium picks on one position. Under Zimmer: 2014: Barr (LB) Bridgewater (QB) 2015: Trae Waynes (CB) 2016: Laquon Treadwell (WR) 2017: No First, first selection Dalvin Cook (RB) 2018: Mike Hughes (CB) 2019: Garrett Bradbury (C) 2020: Justin Jefferson (WR) Jeff Gladney (CB) I don't see that as "keep spending premium picks" on CB. In addition - the defense 3 or more CBs on the field most of the time. That's a position that requires a lot of bodies, and as mentioned, is a premium position. Edited October 29, 2020 by JDBrocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 You need 11 players to fill 11 positions on offense. You need another 11 players to fill 11 positions on defense. If they aren't ALL premium positions, then why aren't there more two way players in the league. Sure would save a lot of money if your non-premium running back could also be your non-premium safety. Or your non-premium tight end could also be your non-premium middle linebacker. Maybe WR2 should also be the nickle back on defense. While we're at it, quarterbacks should learn to be place kickers AND punters! I'm trying to make the point...ALL positions in football are premium positions. Just because the rise of analytics in football is the new "in thing" doesn't mean it's changed a damn thing about the game. You think you might have hit a nerve???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 In this world today, everything hits a nerve. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Six first round selections since 2015: three CBs, two WRs, and a C. That distribution of positions is not all all what my preference would be. I do like the QB pick the previous year. Too bad that didn't work out better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Zimmer needs to be gone after this season and the new coach needs to grab his QBOTF in the draft. This team is going to have a top 10 pick, and if history tells us anything, we won't be back in that position for a little while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Virginia Viking said: You need 11 players to fill 11 positions on offense. You need another 11 players to fill 11 positions on defense. If they aren't ALL premium positions, then why aren't there more two way players in the league. Sure would save a lot of money if your non-premium running back could also be your non-premium safety. Or your non-premium tight end could also be your non-premium middle linebacker. Maybe WR2 should also be the nickle back on defense. While we're at it, quarterbacks should learn to be place kickers AND punters! I'm trying to make the point...ALL positions in football are premium positions. Just because the rise of analytics in football is the new "in thing" doesn't mean it's changed a damn thing about the game. You think you might have hit a nerve???? This is simply not true. If you don’t think the game has changed you are being willfully ignorant. Some positions are more valuable than others. I’m sorry if that upsets you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc_vikingfan Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Of course you can. CB is a premium position. QB, OT, Pass rusher, and CB should really be all you use a 1st rounder on. I understand CB is premium position but you can't going into the well at one position with your premium picks. Other premium positions according to your list hasn't been drafted in the 1st round by this team since Teddy(14). 4 hours ago, JDBrocks said: Under Zimmer: 2014: Barr (LB) Bridgewater (QB) 2015: Trae Waynes (CB) 2016: Laquon Treadwell (WR) 2017: No First, first selection Dalvin Cook (RB) 2018: Mike Hughes (CB) 2019: Garrett Bradbury (C) 2020: Justin Jefferson (WR) Jeff Gladney (CB) I don't see that as "keep spending premium picks" on CB. In addition - the defense 3 or more CBs on the field most of the time. That's a position that requires a lot of bodies, and as mentioned, is a premium position. Once again I'm not saying CB is not important or a premium position. However, if I'm Rick the answer should be no if Zim wants another 1st rd CB. Looking at your post under Zimmer half of the Vikings 1st's since 2015 have been CB's. We had other rounds where the team could've drafted CB especially since Zimmer is a CB guru. Vikings draft DLine line mid-rounds because of Patterson ability to develop why not have that same standard for Zim at CBs? Mid round picks at CB can fill out your depth at CB also Edited October 30, 2020 by dc_vikingfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I hate that argument. Patterson gets all of the credit as a position coach, but Zimmer gets blamed for CBs. He’s not a position coach, he’s the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I don’t get why Patterson gets so much edit for developing players. What’s he really developed? Hunter and two or three marginal role players? Given all of the mid round picks who can’t even be relied on as contributors, I don’t see where Patterson earns the praise he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, JDBrocks said: Under Zimmer: 2014: Barr (LB) Bridgewater (QB) 2015: Trae Waynes (CB) 2016: Laquon Treadwell (WR) 2017: No First, first selection Dalvin Cook (RB) 2018: Mike Hughes (CB) 2019: Garrett Bradbury (C) 2020: Justin Jefferson (WR) Jeff Gladney (CB) I don't see that as "keep spending premium picks" on CB. In addition - the defense 3 or more CBs on the field most of the time. That's a position that requires a lot of bodies, and as mentioned, is a premium position. Five OL at a time......one OL on that list. Edited October 30, 2020 by PrplChilPill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, dc_vikingfan said: I understand CB is premium position but you can't going into the well at one position with your premium picks. Other premium positions according to your list hasn't been drafted in the 1st round by this team since Teddy(14). Once again I'm not saying CB is not important or a premium position. However, if I'm Rick the answer should be no if Zim wants another 1st rd CB. Looking at your post under Zimmer half of the Vikings 1st's since 2015 have been CB's. We had other rounds where the team could've drafted CB especially since Zimmer is a CB guru. Vikings draft DLine line mid-rounds because of Patterson ability to develop why not have that same standard for Zim at CBs? Mid round picks at CB can fill out your depth at CB also Exactly! I would much rather put our first round picks into the defensive line and let our CB guru coach up some second round guys in the secondary. A great pass rush like San Francisco had last year would make life a lot easier on our CBs and a lot tougher on opposing QBs who are currently able to sit back in the pocket and wait for his receivers to get open. Great pass rushers almost always trump great CBs, IMO. When we had Doleman and Millard on our D-line, we were the #1 defense in the league. I can't even remember who our CBs were during that time. Edited October 30, 2020 by Uncle Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: Five OL at a time......one OL on that list. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Virginia Viking said: You need 11 players to fill 11 positions on offense. You need another 11 players to fill 11 positions on defense. If they aren't ALL premium positions, then why aren't there more two way players in the league. Sure would save a lot of money if your non-premium running back could also be your non-premium safety. Or your non-premium tight end could also be your non-premium middle linebacker. Maybe WR2 should also be the nickle back on defense. While we're at it, quarterbacks should learn to be place kickers AND punters! I'm trying to make the point...ALL positions in football are premium positions. Just because the rise of analytics in football is the new "in thing" doesn't mean it's changed a damn thing about the game. You think you might have hit a nerve???? Hierarchies exist for a reason. Teams should do whatever they can to field the best team, but I'm not spending premium resources for a kicker just because he's the #1 ranked K in the country when I have the #3 ranked QB there, which is also a need for my team. Those analytics haven't changed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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