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Why does there seem to be more confidence with Drew Lock being 'the guy' for Denver over Dwayne Haskins in Washington?

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1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

QBs Ratings vs the Lions after they traded Quandre Diggs:

  • Daniel Jones  124.2 (rookie)
  • Derek Carr 116.2
  • Trubisky 131.0
  • Dak 116.6
  • Haskins 47.5 (rookie)
  • Trubisky 118.1
  • Cousins 111.4
  • Winston 124.9
  • Lock 99.6 (rookie)
  • Rodgers 72.0

The Lions gave up 23 TDs to 4 picks in those 10 games.  Haskins had no TDs and a pick.

The graphic about Trubisky being better than Brady during a certain span this year was 100% based on that Lions D.

 

Yikes, indeed!

Oh, that whole Trubisky > Brady thing that went around was absolutely comical and systematically revealed haters and ignorant fans alike. That said, I had no idea it was based on that.

Also goes to show how annoying a large portion of football fans are with their cherry-picking of stats.

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1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said:

QB Ratings against the Atlanta Falcons over the first 8 weeks of the 2019 season:

  • Kirk Cousins - 140.8
  • Carson Wentz - 61.3
  • Jacoby Brissett - 118.1
  • Marcus Mariota - 129.7
  • Deshaun Watson - 158.3
  • Kyler Murray - 128.2
  • Jared Goff - 99.8
  • Russell Wilson - 131.7

Yikes, indeed!

Hey, that was fun :)

Through the first 9 weeks, the Falcons only had 2 interceptions. Both of those belonged to Wentz. The first 8 weeks the Falcons were a historically bad defense - with the Eagles being the only team they looked decent against. They were on pace to be one of the worst defenses in NFL history, until their improvement came against the Saints.

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Unless Ron Rivera can do to Haskins what Mcvay did for Goff I don't see a bright future for Haskins in D.C. 

 

 

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On 2/12/2020 at 12:36 PM, Dome said:

As a mostly uniformed outsider looking in, I have no faith in either of them 

same i don't really put one above the other. both should get shots to be the starter this coming year and their results dictate what happens past that for them. 

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Dwayne Haskins has the brain of Vince Young with the body of Jamarcus Russell.

It's a receipe for disaster.

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Haskins will be out of the league in a few years like all the other Ohio State QBs that were hyped at OSU and never amounted to anything in the league.

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21 minutes ago, dwaye50327 said:

Haskins will be out of the league in a few years like all the other Ohio State QBs that were hyped at OSU and never amounted to anything in the league.

I do fear that.

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1 hour ago, dwaye50327 said:

Haskins will be out of the league in a few years like all the other Ohio State QBs that were hyped at OSU and never amounted to anything in the league.

Like... who? What QB was ever viewed as a legit pro prospect for them in the past 20 years? It would be different if they kept having high round picks at QB go on to do absolutely nothing in the league, but their QBs are never seen as having pro potential. Smith, Pryor, Miller, Barrett, Jones... none of those guys were ever getting early round hype aside from Jones right after his miracle national championship run. 

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21 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

QB Ratings against the Atlanta Falcons over the first 8 weeks of the 2019 season:

  • Kirk Cousins - 140.8
  • Carson Wentz - 61.3
  • Jacoby Brissett - 118.1
  • Marcus Mariota - 129.7
  • Deshaun Watson - 158.3
  • Kyler Murray - 128.2
  • Jared Goff - 99.8
  • Russell Wilson - 131.7

Yikes, indeed!

Hey, that was fun :)

Yeah, the Falcons were pretty terrible early in the season. Better after the bye.

 

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I've noticed that a defense of Haskins that has shown up a fee times throughout this thread applies just as much, if not more, to Lock.

 

The claim is that the Washington offensive staff did Haskins no favors in preperation or play calling leading up to and during his starts. I think that's a valid complaint, but lost in that claim is how Denver handled Drew Lock.

 

Lock only had a week of 2nd team reps in the preseason. For much of it he was splitting 3rd team snaps with Brett Rypien behind Kevin Hogan and Joe Flacco. From the onset of minicamp, Fangio held a staunch "he must earn it" mentality, even when Lock was obviously outplaying Kevin Hogan from the start of camp. His injury in the second to last preseason game only gave the staff more reason to hold him back, placing him on IR for a thumb sprain that was healed enough for Lock to begin throwing after Denver's week 2 game against Chicago. Ah but he was on IR, so no snaps for Lock. Not in games, not in practice, nothing. Nothing at all until he was designated for IR return on November 12th. 5 weeks after he was both league-elgible to return and healthy, as mentioned above.

 

Now, just because he could practice and Flacco was put on IR, he still wasn't given starters reps in practice. The team sent Brandon Allen out instead. The QB had never even been a backup in the league until 2019. Fast forward 3 weeks of the team feeding Allen starts and practice reps, and Lock finally enters the conversation to take over starting. In the lead up to the Chargers game, Drew Lock's first start, he split practice reps with Brandon Allen. Way to set him up for success right? He's hardly had reps all year and even in the week leading up to his first start he gets 50%  

 

Anyway, despite all this, he actually plays well. Or, as well as he could, given who was calling plays. There's no mystery to why Denver fired Rich Scamgerello. His play calling was strange and uninspired. His play design even more so. But what do you expect from a guy who had never called plays in the league and only ever called plays at a D2 school- for a single year. It was common knowledge last year that Lock had never taken snaps under center and was very successful out of shotgun, spread sets. That was not incorporated in Scangerello's gameplanning, initially. He sent Lock out there to run the same d2, Joe Flacco, west coast offense that was failing all year. Lock took it and did alright, but where he really shined was the one game Scangerello crafted a gameplan to his strengths- at HOUT. Amazingly, after this game, the best offensive game for Denver in years, Scangerello reverted back to his conservatism and ultimately got himself fired.

 

So when you say those things about Haskins, understand that Drew Lock dealt with the same- or worse. Haskins, at least, was surrounded by veteran offensive coaches. Lock will get that this year in Shurmur/Shula, as well as an offensive system that places priority on 3wide, shotgun sets. Denver went out and hired an offensive staff around Drew Lock's skillset. Building around Lock by bolstering the weapons and offensive line is considered Elway's #1 priority this offseason. Is Washington doing the same? With the 6th most cap space(before cutting Flacco), Denver stands to do a lot more for Lock than Washington will with the 20th most space for Haskins. That's not to mention that Denver has over twice as many draft picks as Washington. Heck, Denver has as many picks in the first 3 rounds as Washington does total. Washing does have pick #2, which will likely be used on Young. Denver, with pick 15, is rumored to be targeting one of the draft's 3 best recievers, with ammo to move up if they fall in love.  Then there's coaching. With Shurmur and Shula being hired, Denver has senior offensive staff members that have proven to be able to develop young QBs and get the most out of poor to average QBs, can Washington claim the same?

 

In summation:

Lock performed better than Haskins in just as adverse of a situation. Lock is also on a team that went from losing to winning once he took over and has much more resources to help facilitate his growth in the coming years.

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18 minutes ago, Ahhlucas said:

Building around Lock by bolstering the weapons and offensive line is considered Elway's #1 priority this offseason. Is Washington doing the same?

 

 

19 minutes ago, Ahhlucas said:

With the 6th most cap space(before cutting Flacco), Denver stands to do a lot more for Lock than Washington will with the 20th most space for Haskins.

 

35 minutes ago, Ahhlucas said:

That's not to mention that Denver has over twice as many draft picks as Washington.  Washing does have pick #2, which will likely be used on Young.

Young helps the defense, which helps the offense, which helps Haskins.  Washington's draft resources are valued at nearly 1,000 points higher than Denver's, per Jimmy Johnson's trade chart: http://www.tankathon.com/nfl/power_rankings

42 minutes ago, Ahhlucas said:

In summation:

Lock performed better than Haskins in just as adverse of a situation.

 

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On 2/14/2020 at 2:20 AM, LowMotorGuy said:

Dwayne Haskins has the brain of Vince Young with the body of Jamarcus Russell.

It's a receipe for disaster.

very racist of you

 

just cuz hes black

 

he is more of a big ben type

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7 hours ago, Vladimir L said:

very racist of you

 

just cuz hes black

 

he is more of a big ben type

Honestly I almost typed the same response but that dude didn't seem worth it 

Literally down to the Ben comparison as well 

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39 minutes ago, N4L said:
8 hours ago, Vladimir L said:

very racist of you

 

just cuz hes black

 

he is more of a big ben type

Honestly I almost typed the same response but that dude didn't seem worth it 

Literally down to the Ben comparison as well 

Devils advocate ,not my fight. Would it of been more appropriate had he compared them to two white athletes instead? Had he said....

 

"Dwayne Haskins has the Brain of Ryan Leaf and the Body of Jared Lorenzen.

It's a Recipe for disaster."

Curious? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said:

Curious?

Would have been equally baseless

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