Soko Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Elky said: No he was not. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Deserved or not, he was T-3rd in voting. Was closer to 2nd than 4th. That probably qualifies as “in the chatter”. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: Deserved or not, he was T-3rd in voting. Was closer to 2nd than 4th. That probably qualifies as “in the chatter”. Dalton was 3rd in the running for MVP before injured in 2015. Both are below average QBs but are both starters in the NFL and should be starting. Carr around 20 and Dalton around 22-23. Edited February 23, 2020 by BayRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Dalton was 3rd in the running for MVP before injured in 2015. Both are below average QBs but are both starters in the NFL and should be starting. Carr around 20 and Dalton around 22-23. Has nothing to do with what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megatechpc Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Totty said: 2016 he was most certainly in the discussion. It's been rough since. Not gunna bs. He shouldn't have been. There was nobody even close to Ryan in 2016 IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, megatechpc said: He shouldn't have been. There was nobody even close to Ryan in 2016 IMO. Agree. The right guy win it but he was a top 3 candidate that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 10 hours ago, BayRaider said: He’s a below average football player. You’re a below average friend for saying that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Wish him dead???? What we talking bout here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Why bengals fans want to get rid andy dalton?? Same answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordyTheGoffer Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Elky said: No he was not. Now sit down and let the adults talk. Dude, always good to share opinions. Thanks for your kind welcome to the forum. Edited February 23, 2020 by GordyTheGoffer 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, dante9876 said: Wish him dead???? What we talking bout here. He’s joking about the Raiders as an organization (Mayock/Gruden), and the fans, not thinking highly of Carr and wanting him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Elky said: No he was not. Now sit down and let the adults talk. There's absolutely no reason for that kind of condescension. Out of line and you know better 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Carr is nothing more than average and he has regressed significantly since his injury (broken leg) he plays scared and gives up almost immediately when his first read isn’t there. He can’t throw in tight windows, he can’t throw receivers open, he can’t and won’t run when needed, he can’t improvise when the play breaks down. He is so terrified of contact that he just throws it away. He plays scared and it shows. Want to see the real Derek Carr watch ever single game he played vs the Chiefs. Scared hopeless and no urgency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 17 hours ago, BayRaider said: You guys have not watched enough Carr and obviously box score scouting. He was once again one of the main issues last season. Carrs Offense is fantastic. Top 2 OL, I’d say #2 behind Indy, Top 5 TE, Great 2nd TE, Top 7-8 RB in Jacobs, Williams and Renfrow are solid WRs. It’s a ridiculously talented offense. Could they use another WR? Sure. But what he has right now is more than most QBs ever dream of. Here is my write up on Carr from a few weeks ago: This seems pretty spot on to me. EDIT: I have no idea why it cut off the majority of your writing in your breakdown, but that's what I was trying to highlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsutus Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 19 hours ago, GordyTheGoffer said: Yep, he certainly was not the issue last year. Last year he lacked a true no 1 WR and actually did better than I expected with the WR group he had. Almost every qb lacks a "true" number 1. He is a decent qb but he is nothing special in any category. He is something between mariota and Dalton. He can keep you in the playoff race but never get you over the hump unless you build a world beater around him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Vorsutus said: Almost every qb lacks a "true" number 1. He is a decent qb but he is nothing special in any category. He is something between mariota and Dalton. He can keep you in the playoff race but never get you over the hump unless you build a world beater around him. I agree with this except he's better than Dalton. He needs a cast around him. Don't think that 16 team was a world beater. But definitely had better wide outs than we do now. Defense was putrid for the most part. Carr was the comeback kid that year. It's tough for me to pull the pin on a guy who has showed that when I've seen Hostetler, Walter, George, Russell, Campbell, Tuiasasopo, etc lead the charge. Finally get a competent guy who needs some help, instead of providing the best cast we can we say he's not worth a crap In the league, but same guy says we can get a 2nd out of him? This doesn't make sense. Build the roster, if he doesn't pan out, select your guy and put him in the best scenario you can after the roster is built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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