Bishop86 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 You neglected the DE position. Don't you think, in a win now mode, they should make some sort of effort to upgrade the spot across from Flowers? Personally I have no faith in Hand/ Okwara/ Bryant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZski Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Bishop86 said: Nice work....I like it alot. I'm getting closer and closer to thinking Miami moves up to two for Tua. Why take the chance of anyone else grabbing him? If Chase Young is there, would you still trade? No I would take Chase Young if he is there at #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZski Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Bishop86 said: You neglected the DE position. Don't you think, in a win now mode, they should make some sort of effort to upgrade the spot across from Flowers? Personally I have no faith in Hand/ Okwara/ Bryant. I thought about that too but I see Brown, Butler, Hand and Bryant being flexible enough to play opposite Flowers. There is also Kennard who can play there with Uche coming in as a pass rush specialist from Kennards Jack role. I get your point about DE and def thought about an upgrade. Maybe they can get a cheap FA to fill a role at DE. The real unknown is Hand and Bryant who battled injuries all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, BZski said: I thought about that too but I see Brown, Butler, Hand and Bryant being flexible enough to play opposite Flowers. There is also Kennard who can play there with Uche coming in as a pass rush specialist from Kennards Jack role. I get your point about DE and def thought about an upgrade. Maybe they can get a cheap FA to fill a role at DE. The real unknown is Hand and Bryant who battled injuries all year. I have to agree with you on this - pass rush doesn't HAVE to come from the outside. If Brown is the guy he is being advertised as, we should see an improved pass rush up the middle. Brown would probably wind up playing that big DE role at times with Butler at NT and with Hand backing him up in those 3 man fronts. Bryant and Uche fill in for Kennard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Karnage84 said: I have to agree with you on this - pass rush doesn't HAVE to come from the outside. If Brown is the guy he is being advertised as, we should see an improved pass rush up the middle. Brown would probably wind up playing that big DE role at times with Butler at NT and with Hand backing him up in those 3 man fronts. Bryant and Uche fill in for Kennard. Not only that, but isn't Okwara still on the roster? I'm pretty sure that he's still under contract until 2021, and I didn't see him released. If you pair a monster like Brown with Flowers on one end, and have Kennard and Uche rushing from elsewhere, I could see an Okwara type being effective at the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop86 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Excellent points fellas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 2:19 PM, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Dude. It's a mock. Did you want him to put a blurb where the Panthers called the Giants, their asking price was too high and they couldn't make a deal? If you're just looking at that scenario (the Lions are OTC at #5 and Herbert is still available), I think a team could absolutely jump the Chargers, regardless of how we got to #5. I mean, if you don't want any critical opinions against it, sure. I'm just merely saying that this scenario seems wildly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZski Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I mean, if you don't want any critical opinions against it, sure. I'm just merely saying that this scenario seems wildly unlikely. I prefer overly optimistic. That being said I honestly do not think it is totally out of the realm of possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, BZski said: I prefer overly optimistic. That being said I honestly do not think it is totally out of the realm of possibility. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: I mean, if you don't want any critical opinions against it, sure. I'm just merely saying that this scenario seems wildly unlikely. This is the type of stuff that makes me want to slowly and persistently bang my head against the computer screen. It's February. We're discussing something as random and unpredictable as the NFL Draft. You're willing to argue that it's "totally out of the realm of possibility" for the Panthers, who seem to need a QB, to trade from #7 to #5, ahead of another team that needs a QB, to draft a QB that many feel will be selected in the top 10. Think for a second just how asinine that is. Edited February 27, 2020 by TL-TwoWinsAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: This is the type of stuff that makes me want to slowly and persistently bang my head against the computer screen. It's February. We're discussing something as random and unpredictable as the NFL Draft. You're willing to argue that it's "totally out of the realm of possibility" for the Panthers, who seem to need a QB, to trade from #7 to #5, ahead of another team that needs a QB, to draft a QB that many feel will be selected in the top 10. Think for a second just how asinine that is. With the Panthers committing to Cam (at least for this season) I don't think they're in as desperate of a need to move up and draft a QB. They could sit at #7 and take one of the defensive guys that is likely to fall or draft Herbert, Jordan Love, Jacob Eason and let that guy sit for a year. The Chargers really seem more like the team that needs to make a move to me, depending on what happens in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 hours ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: This is the type of stuff that makes me want to slowly and persistently bang my head against the computer screen. It's February. We're discussing something as random and unpredictable as the NFL Draft. You're willing to argue that it's "totally out of the realm of possibility" for the Panthers, who seem to need a QB, to trade from #7 to #5, ahead of another team that needs a QB, to draft a QB that many feel will be selected in the top 10. Think for a second just how asinine that is. I'm not sure why you're getting in a tizzy because of my opinion. I said I didn't think it was likely that the Lions would manage to trade down two spots and pick up an extra SRP each time from the team looking to go get their QBOTF. And @BZski brought up a legitimate point why it might be a possibility in that Gettleman rarely trades down. That's probably the most legitimate argument I've seen yet, but recent comments about the 4th pick from Gettlemen said they're open for business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Karnage84 said: With the Panthers committing to Cam (at least for this season) I don't think they're in as desperate of a need to move up and draft a QB. They could sit at #7 and take one of the defensive guys that is likely to fall or draft Herbert, Jordan Love, Jacob Eason and let that guy sit for a year. The Chargers really seem more like the team that needs to make a move to me, depending on what happens in FA. The Panthers committed to Cam after this mock was posted. At the time, it was believed that they were moving on from him, and thus in need of a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 hours ago, CWood21 said: I'm not sure why you're getting in a tizzy because of my opinion. I said I didn't think it was likely that the Lions would manage to trade down two spots and pick up an extra SRP each time from the team looking to go get their QBOTF. And @BZski brought up a legitimate point why it might be a possibility in that Gettleman rarely trades down. That's probably the most legitimate argument I've seen yet, but recent comments about the 4th pick from Gettlemen said they're open for business. You said it was unrealistic, wildly unlikely and disagreed that it wasn't totally out of the realm of possibility. Teams have frequently traded down twice in the first round. Teams have frequently traded up for QBs. It's completely possible that DET trades down to #5, and also possible that DET considers another deal to trade down from #5. Arguing, in February, in a mock draft, that it's "wildly unlikely" and "totally out of the realm of possibility" that something like this could happen is both wrong and pointless. You come across as some sort of temp employee at an innovative tech company, walking from think tank to think tank, poking your head in the door and saying "nah, not possible" before walking away. Not only is it absolutely possible, it adds nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 6:21 PM, TL-TwoWinsAway said: You said it was unrealistic, wildly unlikely and disagreed that it wasn't totally out of the realm of possibility. Teams have frequently traded down twice in the first round. Teams have frequently traded up for QBs. It's completely possible that DET trades down to #5, and also possible that DET considers another deal to trade down from #5. Arguing, in February, in a mock draft, that it's "wildly unlikely" and "totally out of the realm of possibility" that something like this could happen is both wrong and pointless. You come across as some sort of temp employee at an innovative tech company, walking from think tank to think tank, poking your head in the door and saying "nah, not possible" before walking away. Not only is it absolutely possible, it adds nothing. I'm not sure why being critical of the proposed trades is that upsetting. The Lions are getting a surplus value of an extra late FRP. In the Jets/Colts trade, the Colts got roughly a late SRP in surplus value plus whatever you value that future SRP. It isn't realistic IMO. You're more than welcome to disagree, but acting like there isn't a basis for that train of though is crazy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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