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27.5

-1.4 Cohen
+6.5 Floyd
+4 Robinson
+3 Hicks
+3 Shaheen and Braunecker
+5 Top 51 Cut Off
+5 new CBA

54 million

Leonard Floyd

Old Money: 1 year 13.25 million
New Money: 4 years 32 million/10.75 guaranteed [Nigel Bradham]
Total Deal: 5 years 46.25 million/24 guaranteed/12 SB

Year 1: 4.75 GS/2 SB [6.75]
Year 2: 5.75/2 SB [7.75]
Year 3: 4 Salary/2.5 RB/2 SB [8.5]
Year 4: 7.75 salary/1 RB/2 SB [10.75]
Year 5: 9.5 salary/2 SB [11.5]

Allen Robinson

Old Money: 1 year 15 million
New Money: 4 years 68.5 million/54 guaranteed/20 SB [Mike Evans]
Total Deal: 5 years 83.5 million/54 guaranteed/20 SB

Year 1: 7 GS/4 SB [11]
Year 2: 9 GS/4 SB [13]
Year 3: 6 Salary/6 RB/4 SB [16]
Year 4: 9.5 salary/6 RB/4 SB [19.5]
Year 5: 14 salary/6 RB/4 SB [24]

Akiem Hicks

Year 1: 10.2 salary/1.5 SB
Year 2: 10.4 salary/1.5 SB

Old Money: 20.6 million/0 guaranteed
New Money: 2 years 18.4 million/18 guaranteed/16 SB
Total Deal: 4 years 39 million/18 guaranteed [+3 old signing bonus]

Year 1: 4 GS/3.5 SB/1.5 Old SB [9]
Year 2: 5.25 GS/3.5 SB/1.5 Old SB [10.25]
Year 3: 6.75 salary/3.5 SB [10.25]
Year 4: 9 salary/3.5 SB [12.5]

Re-Signings [19.5 million spent]

LB Danny Trevathan 3 years 18 million/12 guaranteed/6 SB

I think he is going to be much easier to re-sign than Nick K and it probably a better player, although older with more health concerns. This is really a 2 year 14 million deal the Bears can spread into year 3.

Year 1: 3 GS/2 SB [5]
Year 2: 1 salary/3 GS/2 SB [6]
Year 3: 5 salary/2 SB [7]

LB Kevin Pierre-Louis 3 years 10.5 million/6.5 guaranteed/3 SB

His speed won him a role on defense and I think he should be brought back to fill the role as a pass defending LB and sometimes pass rusher off the edge, where he was surprisingly effective for a 6' guy.

Year 1: 1.5 GS/1 SB [2.5]
Year 2: 2 GS/1 SB [3]
Year 3: 4 Salary/1 SB [5]

S Deon Bush 2 years 5.5 million/3.5 guaranteed/2 SB

They need competition at SS and Bush was solid in the playoff game in 2018 and he was good in the preseason and deserves a chance to compete.

Year 1: 1.5 GS/1 SB [2.5]
Year 2: 2 salary/1 SB [3]

DE Roy Robertson-Harris [RFA] 3 years 13.5 million/9.5 guaranteed/4.5 SB [2nd round tender: 3.5 million]

The Bears should try and use the last year of RRH contract to get him extended to a solid backup/rotational rate. In this deal he gets 3x the guaranteed money that he would on the RFA tender. This is something that the 49ers do often and have had success at getting guys at a little lower rate.

Year 1: 2 GS/1.5 SB [3.5]
Year 2: 3 GS/1.5 SB [4.5]
Year 3: 4 Salary/1.5 SB [5.5]

I Year Deals [6 million spent]

DE Brent Urban 1 year 1.25 million/250k guaranteed
S DeAndre Houston-Carson 1 year 1 million/250k guaranteed
LS Patrick Scales 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
OT Cornelius Lucas 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
OLB Isiah Irving 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
TE/FB JP Holtz [ERFA] 1 year 750k

Cap Room: 34.5 million

Trade [11 million]

The Chicago Bears trade 2[50] and a conditional 2021 pick to the Oakland Raiders for QB Derek Carr and 5[159].

*Conditional pick is a 4 that can move to a 3rd with some reasonable performance mile stones.

QB Derek Carr [Oakland] 3 years 58 million/0 guaranteed [18]

Carr is a major upgrade over Trubisky. He is an efficient passer who has more of an arm then he shows off. He is 29 years old, on a great contract, and is someone that the Bears can build around in the future. He has never been great, but if the Bears want someone who can be their version of Alex Smith and who fits the the offense then Carr is the best option.

Old Money: 3 years 58 million/0 guaranteed
New Deal: 3 years 58 million/32 guaranteed/18 SB

Year 1: 5 GS/6 SB [11]
Year 2: 7 salary/9 GS/6 SB [22]
Year 3: 19 salary/6 SB [25]

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Cap Room: 23.5 million

Free Agency [13.5 million]

OG Hala Vaitai [Philadelphia] 4 years 28 million/12 guaranteed/4 SB

The Bears need a week 1 starter at RG and someone who can bring a little size and power to the line. Vaitai has started games, including a Super Bowl, at LT, RT, and RG and in addition to providing a massive upgrade at RG he also brings versatility to step into a number of other spots on the line.

Year 1: 3 GS/1 SB [4]
Year 2: 5 GS/1 SB[6]
Year 3: 7 salary/1 SB [8]
Year 4: 9 salary/1 SB [10
]
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TE Nick Vannett [Pittsburgh] 3 years 15 million/6 guaranteed/3 SB

The Bears solve the Y TE spot with Vannett who bring size and blocking to the position that the pathetic Adam Shaheen could not. Vannatt should be a massive upgrade to the run game and is not a negative as a receiver although he isn't a dynamic play maker.

Year 1: 2 GS/1 SB [3]
Year 2: 3 salary/1 SB/1 RB [5]
Year 3: 6 salary/1 SB [7]

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OT David Sharpe [Oakland] 2 years 7 million/3 guaranteed

After the performance of the OTs last season they need competition and the Bears need options that they can turn to if they struggle again. Sharpe is a big body [6'6" 240lbs] with experience at RT and LT and he looked good playing in 2 games last season as the Raiders swing OT.

Year 1: 3 GS [3]
Year 2: 4 salary [4]
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OLB Jabaal Sheard [Indianapolis] 1 year 3.5 million/1.5 guaranteed [3.5] 150k/sack bonus

Sheard is 32 and probably is done with multi year contracts and he has slowly been phased out as a starter in Indy, but he would be a nice addition as a #3 OLB. Sheard has a long history with Pagano and hopefully that allows the Bears to get him at a discount. Sheard is a 4-6 sack guy who will give you consistent power rushes and who will not be pushed around in the run game.
 

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Cap Room: 10 million

Draft [3.5 million spent]

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[43] to the Las Vegas Raiders for QB Derek Carr and a 5[159],

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[50] to the Tennessee Titans for 2[61] and 3[93].

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[61] to the the Jacksonville Jaguars for 3[73] and 4[113].


3[73] WR Denzel Mims [Baylor] 6'3" 206lbs.

The Bears need some speed on offense. They are terrible at generating YAC, which in a west coast offense is a major issue. They can address the QB accuracy issue, but they still need to add speed. Mims is a bigger WR, but as a former track star he has the speed that the WR core is missing. Mims also has the size and power to take short passes for a long distance. As an added bonus he is also a very good blocker, which should help the run and screen game.
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3[93] TE Chase Claypool [Notre Dame] 6'4" 238lbs.

The Bears need to get more dynamic at TE and with Carr at QB they need to get some capable of generating YAC yards. The Bears suck at generating YAC and that is where Carr does a ton of work. Claypool is a converted WR who at the TE position has incredible speed and explosion to go with good size. Claypool can become the mismatch TE that the Bears thought Burton would be with better size and athletic ability. Darren Waller generated almost 600 yards of YAC yards and they are similar athletes.
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4[113] S Jeremy Chinn [Southern Illinois] 6'3" 219lbs.

With the money that Carr is making some spots on defense are going to need to go young and cheap. SS seems like a prime candidate and while the Bears bring back Bush they need to have options at the position. Chinn gives the Bears a physically intimidating option that can play in the box and play man against TEs. Chinn is raw and comes from a small school, but he is a big physical athlete that can be developed.
 

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4[144] OLB Alex Highsmith [Charlotte] 6'4" 252lbs.

The Bears need to add some young and cheap pass rush to supplement Floyd's lack of pass rush development. Highsmith is a high upside pass rusher from a small school that gets a year on special teams to develop his pass rush moves. Highsmith provides much higher upside depth than Isaiah Irving.
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5[159] CB Jaron Bryant [Fresno St] 6'1" 195lbs.

The Bears seem to be going cheap and young at CB2. This means that they need multiple options competing and developing so they can make a change if Tolliver or Roberson fails. Bryant has the outside CB size and length the Bears seem to favor. In 3 seasons he has 27 PD and 6 INTs and he gives the Bears another option.
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5[159] OT Charlie Heck [UNC] 6'8" 315lbs.

The Bears need some developmental depth at OT and they need someone who can potentially develop to replace Leno or Massie in 2021. Heck has the size, length, and athletic ability to be a starting OT in the NFL. He has played RT and LT which makes him an ideal swing OT. His father is a former NFL OLmen and current Chiefs OL coach so he has grown up in this world. Heck may cap out at a solid swing OT, but he gives the Bears a player worth working with as a backup.
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6[196] RB Reggie Corbin [Illinois] 5'11" 205lbs.

The Bears need a backup RB and they could use someone with some serious speed and with more size and ability between the tackles as Cohen. Corbin has much better size than Cohen and much better speed than Montgomery. He can be a big play threat and someone that Carr can use in the passing game. He provides cheap depth and can also be used as the backup KR so we never see Miller do it again.
 

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6[200] QB Cole McDonald [Hawaii] 6'3" 215lbs.

This pick is about finding a very cheap backup for 2021 and beyond and seeing if you can develop McDonald into a playable player or asset. McDonald has a lot of flair to his game, but a ton of rough edges. The physical tools are good and he makes some crazy plays, but he is wild and will need some time to learn.
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7[226] OG Jon Runyan [Michigan] 6'5" 321lbs.

The Bears need to add a couple of young guys to come in and develop and just be constantly adding to the OL room to see if Castillo can develop some talent. Runyan is another NFL bloodlines guy who comes with experience at OT and OG, although physically he profiles as an OG. He brings some nasty to the run game and he gets a year, probably on the PR, to develop.
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7[233] OLB James Smith-Williams [NC State] 6'3" 268lbs.

The Bears need to add multiple young cheap pass rushers and hope they get something out of one of them in the 2020 season and long term they can be cheap rotational depth. Smith-Williams is a raw, well built, and athletic pass rusher who has physical tools, but very little in the way of refinement. He can work as a deep backup and on special teams while they try and coach up the technique and pass rush moves.
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Depth Chart

QB: Carr, Trubisky, McDonald
RB: Montgomery, Cohen, Corbin, Holtz
WR: Robinson, Miller, Mims, Ridley, Wims, Patterson
TE: Mcdonald, Claypool, Burton, Harris, Horsted
LT: Leno, Heck
LG: Daniels/Bars
C: Whitehair
RG: Vaitai/Runyan
RT: Massie/Sharpe

RE: Nichols, RRH
NT: Goldman, Anderson
LE: Hicks, Urban
OLB: Floyd, Highsmith
ILB: Smith, Iggy
ILB: KPL, Woods
OLB: Mack, Sheard, Smith-Williams
CB: Fuller, Tolliver/Roberson, Skrine, Shelley
FS: Jackson, DHC
SS: Bush/Chinn

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2 hours ago, WindyCity said:

27.5

-1.4 Cohen
+6.5 Floyd
+4 Robinson
+3 Hicks
+3 Shaheen and Braunecker
+5 Top 51 Cut Off
+5 new CBA

54 million

Leonard Floyd

Old Money: 1 year 13.25 million
New Money: 4 years 32 million/10.75 guaranteed [Nigel Bradham]
Total Deal: 5 years 46.25 million/24 guaranteed/12 SB

Year 1: 4.75 GS/2 SB [6.75]
Year 2: 5.75/2 SB [7.75]
Year 3: 4 Salary/2.5 RB/2 SB [8.5]
Year 4: 7.75 salary/1 RB/2 SB [10.75]
Year 5: 9.5 salary/2 SB [11.5]

Allen Robinson

Old Money: 1 year 15 million
New Money: 4 years 68.5 million/54 guaranteed/20 SB [Mike Evans]
Total Deal: 5 years 83.5 million/54 guaranteed/20 SB

Year 1: 7 GS/4 SB [11]
Year 2: 9 GS/4 SB [13]
Year 3: 6 Salary/6 RB/4 SB [16]
Year 4: 9.5 salary/6 RB/4 SB [19.5]
Year 5: 14 salary/6 RB/4 SB [24]

Akiem Hicks

Year 1: 10.2 salary/1.5 SB
Year 2: 10.4 salary/1.5 SB

Old Money: 20.6 million/0 guaranteed
New Money: 2 years 18.4 million/18 guaranteed/16 SB
Total Deal: 4 years 39 million/18 guaranteed [+3 old signing bonus]

Year 1: 4 GS/3.5 SB/1.5 Old SB [9]
Year 2: 5.25 GS/3.5 SB/1.5 Old SB [10.25]
Year 3: 6.75 salary/3.5 SB [10.25]
Year 4: 9 salary/3.5 SB [12.5]

Re-Signings [19.5 million spent]

LB Danny Trevathan 3 years 18 million/12 guaranteed/6 SB

I think he is going to be much easier to re-sign than Nick K and it probably a better player, although older with more health concerns. This is really a 2 year 14 million deal the Bears can spread into year 3.

Year 1: 3 GS/2 SB [5]
Year 2: 1 salary/3 GS/2 SB [6]
Year 3: 5 salary/2 SB [7]

LB Kevin Pierre-Louis 3 years 10.5 million/6.5 guaranteed/3 SB

His speed won him a role on defense and I think he should be brought back to fill the role as a pass defending LB and sometimes pass rusher off the edge, where he was surprisingly effective for a 6' guy.

Year 1: 1.5 GS/1 SB [2.5]
Year 2: 2 GS/1 SB [3]
Year 3: 4 Salary/1 SB [5]

S Deon Bush 2 years 5.5 million/3.5 guaranteed/2 SB

They need competition at SS and Bush was solid in the playoff game in 2018 and he was good in the preseason and deserves a chance to compete.

Year 1: 1.5 GS/1 SB [2.5]
Year 2: 2 salary/1 SB [3]

DE Roy Robertson-Harris [RFA] 3 years 13.5 million/9.5 guaranteed/4.5 SB [2nd round tender: 3.5 million]

The Bears should try and use the last year of RRH contract to get him extended to a solid backup/rotational rate. In this deal he gets 3x the guaranteed money that he would on the RFA tender. This is something that the 49ers do often and have had success at getting guys at a little lower rate.

Year 1: 2 GS/1.5 SB [3.5]
Year 2: 3 GS/1.5 SB [4.5]
Year 3: 4 Salary/1.5 SB [5.5]

I Year Deals [6 million spent]

DE Brent Urban 1 year 1.25 million/250k guaranteed
S DeAndre Houston-Carson 1 year 1 million/250k guaranteed
LS Patrick Scales 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
OT Cornelius Lucas 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
OLB Isiah Irving 1 year 1 million/150k guaranteed
TE/FB JP Holtz [ERFA] 1 year 750k

Cap Room: 34.5 million

Trade [11 million]

The Chicago Bears trade 2[50] and a conditional 2021 pick to the Oakland Raiders for QB Derek Carr and 5[159].

*Conditional pick is a 4 that can move to a 3rd with some reasonable performance mile stones.

QB Derek Carr [Oakland] 3 years 58 million/0 guaranteed [18]

Carr is a major upgrade over Trubisky. He is an efficient passer who has more of an arm then he shows off. He is 29 years old, on a great contract, and is someone that the Bears can build around in the future. He has never been great, but if the Bears want someone who can be their version of Alex Smith and who fits the the offense then Carr is the best option.

Old Money: 3 years 58 million/0 guaranteed
New Deal: 3 years 58 million/32 guaranteed/18 SB

Year 1: 5 GS/6 SB [11]
Year 2: 7 salary/9 GS/6 SB [22]
Year 3: 19 salary/6 SB [25]

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Cap Room: 23.5 million

Free Agency [13.5 million]

OG Hala Vaitai [Philadelphia] 4 years 28 million/12 guaranteed/4 SB

The Bears need a week 1 starter at RG and someone who can bring a little size and power to the line. Vaitai has started games, including a Super Bowl, at LT, RT, and RG and in addition to providing a massive upgrade at RG he also brings versatility to step into a number of other spots on the line.

Year 1: 3 GS/1 SB [4]
Year 2: 5 GS/1 SB[6]
Year 3: 7 salary/1 SB [8]
Year 4: 9 salary/1 SB [10
]
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TE Nick Vannett [Pittsburgh] 3 years 15 million/6 guaranteed/3 SB

The Bears solve the Y TE spot with Vannett who bring size and blocking to the position that the pathetic Adam Shaheen could not. Vannatt should be a massive upgrade to the run game and is not a negative as a receiver although he isn't a dynamic play maker.

Year 1: 2 GS/1 SB [3]
Year 2: 3 salary/1 SB/1 RB [5]
Year 3: 6 salary/1 SB [7]

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OT David Sharpe [Oakland] 2 years 7 million/3 guaranteed

After the performance of the OTs last season they need competition and the Bears need options that they can turn to if they struggle again. Sharpe is a big body [6'6" 240lbs] with experience at RT and LT and he looked good playing in 2 games last season as the Raiders swing OT.

Year 1: 3 GS [3]
Year 2: 4 salary [4]
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OLB Jabaal Sheard [Indianapolis] 1 year 3.5 million/1.5 guaranteed [3.5] 150k/sack bonus

Sheard is 32 and probably is done with multi year contracts and he has slowly been phased out as a starter in Indy, but he would be a nice addition as a #3 OLB. Sheard has a long history with Pagano and hopefully that allows the Bears to get him at a discount. Sheard is a 4-6 sack guy who will give you consistent power rushes and who will not be pushed around in the run game.
 

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Cap Room: 10 million

Draft [3.5 million spent]

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[43] to the Las Vegas Raiders for QB Derek Carr and a 5[159],

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[50] to the Tennessee Titans for 2[61] and 3[93].

*Trade: The Chicago Bears trade 2[61] to the the Jacksonville Jaguars for 3[73] and 4[113].


3[73] WR Denzel Mims [Baylor] 6'3" 206lbs.

The Bears need some speed on offense. They are terrible at generating YAC, which in a west coast offense is a major issue. They can address the QB accuracy issue, but they still need to add speed. Mims is a bigger WR, but as a former track star he has the speed that the WR core is missing. Mims also has the size and power to take short passes for a long distance. As an added bonus he is also a very good blocker, which should help the run and screen game.
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3[93] TE Chase Claypool [Notre Dame] 6'4" 238lbs.

The Bears need to get more dynamic at TE and with Carr at QB they need to get some capable of generating YAC yards. The Bears suck at generating YAC and that is where Carr does a ton of work. Claypool is a converted WR who at the TE position has incredible speed and explosion to go with good size. Claypool can become the mismatch TE that the Bears thought Burton would be with better size and athletic ability. Darren Waller generated almost 600 yards of YAC yards and they are similar athletes.
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4[113] S Jeremy Chinn [Southern Illinois] 6'3" 219lbs.

With the money that Carr is making some spots on defense are going to need to go young and cheap. SS seems like a prime candidate and while the Bears bring back Bush they need to have options at the position. Chinn gives the Bears a physically intimidating option that can play in the box and play man against TEs. Chinn is raw and comes from a small school, but he is a big physical athlete that can be developed.
 

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4[144] OLB Alex Highsmith [Charlotte] 6'4" 252lbs.

The Bears need to add some young and cheap pass rush to supplement Floyd's lack of pass rush development. Highsmith is a high upside pass rusher from a small school that gets a year on special teams to develop his pass rush moves. Highsmith provides much higher upside depth than Isaiah Irving.
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5[159] CB Jaron Bryant [Fresno St] 6'1" 195lbs.

The Bears seem to be going cheap and young at CB2. This means that they need multiple options competing and developing so they can make a change if Tolliver or Roberson fails. Bryant has the outside CB size and length the Bears seem to favor. In 3 seasons he has 27 PD and 6 INTs and he gives the Bears another option.
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5[159] OT Charlie Heck [UNC] 6'8" 315lbs.

The Bears need some developmental depth at OT and they need someone who can potentially develop to replace Leno or Massie in 2021. Heck has the size, length, and athletic ability to be a starting OT in the NFL. He has played RT and LT which makes him an ideal swing OT. His father is a former NFL OLmen and current Chiefs OL coach so he has grown up in this world. Heck may cap out at a solid swing OT, but he gives the Bears a player worth working with as a backup.
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6[196] RB Reggie Corbin [Illinois] 5'11" 205lbs.

The Bears need a backup RB and they could use someone with some serious speed and with more size and ability between the tackles as Cohen. Corbin has much better size than Cohen and much better speed than Montgomery. He can be a big play threat and someone that Carr can use in the passing game. He provides cheap depth and can also be used as the backup KR so we never see Miller do it again.
 

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6[200] QB Cole McDonald [Hawaii] 6'3" 215lbs.

This pick is about finding a very cheap backup for 2021 and beyond and seeing if you can develop McDonald into a playable player or asset. McDonald has a lot of flair to his game, but a ton of rough edges. The physical tools are good and he makes some crazy plays, but he is wild and will need some time to learn.
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7[226] OG Jon Runyan [Michigan] 6'5" 321lbs.

The Bears need to add a couple of young guys to come in and develop and just be constantly adding to the OL room to see if Castillo can develop some talent. Runyan is another NFL bloodlines guy who comes with experience at OT and OG, although physically he profiles as an OG. He brings some nasty to the run game and he gets a year, probably on the PR, to develop.
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7[233] OLB James Smith-Williams [NC State] 6'3" 268lbs.

The Bears need to add multiple young cheap pass rushers and hope they get something out of one of them in the 2020 season and long term they can be cheap rotational depth. Smith-Williams is a raw, well built, and athletic pass rusher who has physical tools, but very little in the way of refinement. He can work as a deep backup and on special teams while they try and coach up the technique and pass rush moves.
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Depth Chart

QB: Carr, Trubisky, McDonald
RB: Montgomery, Cohen, Corbin, Holtz
WR: Robinson, Miller, Mims, Ridley, Wims, Patterson
TE: Mcdonald, Claypool, Burton, Harris, Horsted
LT: Leno, Heck
LG: Daniels/Bars
C: Whitehair
RG: Vaitai/Runyan
RT: Massie/Sharpe

RE: Nichols, RRH
NT: Goldman, Anderson
LE: Hicks, Urban
OLB: Floyd, Highsmith
ILB: Smith, Iggy
ILB: KPL, Woods
OLB: Mack, Sheard, Smith-Williams
CB: Fuller, Tolliver/Roberson, Skrine, Shelley
FS: Jackson, DHC
SS: Bush/Chinn

I wouldn't be upset with this off season at all.  Fills a lot of holes and gives us dept.  Well done.  You forget to list Bryant on your dept chart btw.

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I’ve made my thoughts on a Carr trade well known, but even accepting that for this there’s some I like (Mims and Claypool) and some I don’t (trading all the way out of round 2 gives me Jarron Gilbert flashbacks and doesn’t seem like something that would actually happen, and $5M annually for Nick Vannett is terrible IMO).

Always appreciate the effort to run these scenarios. 

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24 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

I’ve made my thoughts on a Carr trade well known, but even accepting that for this there’s some I like (Mims and Claypool) and some I don’t (trading all the way out of round 2 gives me Jarron Gilbert flashbacks and doesn’t seem like something that would actually happen, and $5M annually for Nick Vannett is terrible IMO).

Always appreciate the effort to run these scenarios. 

Yeah I forgot about Vannett. He stinks

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2 hours ago, topwop1 said:

Mims maybe but I don't think there's any shot that Claypool lasts til the 3rd.

After last night at the combine I do not think either will be around in the 3rd round.

I like both as fits for the Bears, even with Trubisky, who needs some speed, but not midget speed like we have forced on him.

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30 minutes ago, WindyCity said:

After last night at the combine I do not think either will be around in the 3rd round.

I like both as fits for the Bears, even with Trubisky, who needs some speed, but not midget speed like we have forced on him.

I would take them both with our 2nd rounders tbh provided we go significantly on OL and add a starter at safety in FA (more an overall thought than one tied to this mock). You told me to expect Mims to be at that speed a few days back and were definitely right.

I’d line Claypool up as Dallas Clark from day 1, Mims at Z and Miller in the slot and say LFG. Ridley can work in as depth. Mismatches everywhere to be exploited. It’s what Nagy has always said he’s looking to create. If Mitch can’t make that work whoever the next guy is certainly can. 

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How come no forum ever archives posters mock drafts so we can all look at them a few years later and analyze them?

We like to hold our GMs responsible for their picks yet who holds themselves responsible for the picks they mock to us or for the same missed opportunities we hold a GM responsible for.  How many mocks had us drafting Mahomes or Watson @ #2 or #3 instead of Mitch?  Who had George Kittle in their mock or Russell Wilson or Austin Hooper of even Charles Leno Jr?

Many would like to think they're wiser and more well informed than a multi-million dollar staff of NFL personnel people but where's the proof of that?  Who can show 5 years worth of mock drafts where they consistently hit on more successful picks than average guys or out and out busts?  Where's the archived data we can look at before we hand out a draft guru trophy to that guy?  :P

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On 2/28/2020 at 10:06 PM, soulman said:

How come no forum ever archives posters mock drafts so we can all look at them a few years later and analyze them?

We like to hold our GMs responsible for their picks yet who holds themselves responsible for the picks they mock to us or for the same missed opportunities we hold a GM responsible for.  How many mocks had us drafting Mahomes or Watson @ #2 or #3 instead of Mitch?  Who had George Kittle in their mock or Russell Wilson or Austin Hooper of even Charles Leno Jr?

Many would like to think they're wiser and more well informed than a multi-million dollar staff of NFL personnel people but where's the proof of that?  Who can show 5 years worth of mock drafts where they consistently hit on more successful picks than average guys or out and out busts?  Where's the archived data we can look at before we hand out a draft guru trophy to that guy?  :P

A few years back we did a “game” where every participant posted a mock draft for the Bears rounds 1-7.  Not a single participant got a single pick correct.  Pretty eye-opening.

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13 minutes ago, CBears019 said:

A few years back we did a “game” where every participant posted a mock draft for the Bears rounds 1-7.  Not a single participant got a single pick correct.  Pretty eye-opening.

Not at all shocking yet here we sit at times criticizing the hell out of Pace for some of his moves and draft picks.  To err is human to forgive is divine and on the whole I must say we are not a very divine bunch. LOL

I can think of a lot of things I bought I thought I would love.  Big things.  Expensive things like cars. guitars, amps, and even an engagement ring because I was crazy enough to think I could "fix" a narcissistic sociopath.  Some of that stuff didn't work out as planned including the woman and the engagement but I did learn a whole lot of lessons along the way and how not to repeat the same mistakes. ;)

Maybe Pace and his crew are learning as well.  :D

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14 minutes ago, soulman said:

Not at all shocking yet here we sit at times criticizing the hell out of Pace for some of his moves and draft picks.  To err is human to forgive is divine and on the whole I must say we are not a very divine bunch. LOL

I can think of a lot of things I bought I thought I would love.  Big things.  Expensive things like cars. guitars, amps, and even an engagement ring because I was crazy enough to think I could "fix" a narcissistic sociopath.  Some of that stuff didn't work out as planned including the woman and the engagement but I did learn a whole lot of lessons along the way and how not to repeat the same mistakes. ;)

Maybe Pace and his crew are learning as well.  :D

Are you serious?

Just because we get picks wrong in our mock drafts doesn't mean Pace did a good job.

1) Pace is paid handsomely to make good decisions and put the organization in the best possible spot to win and win consistently. Last I checked, we are not.

2) Sometimes we'll do a mock draft for who we want him to choose and sometimes it's who we think he'll choose. I usually factor in a little of both when I make one.

3) I don't think you should be grading our mock drafts on how many Bears picks we get right (which is what you're doing or at least seem to want to do) but rather how many mocked players we "chose" ended up performing well (or not) in the NFL with maybe a sprinkle of "were they even there when the Bears picked?"

Do you see what I mean? Who cares if we correctly predicted what Pace did? Instead you should be asking "of all of these mock drafts done, how many players mocked ended up contributing in the NFL?"

Oh and fwiw, Pace better "learn" soon. He's been doing this now for 5 years and his taste in QB (Glennon, reportedly loving Mariota, Daniel, Trubisky) or lack thereof (using 1 of 32 picks on the position) is atrocious. If not, he'll end up "learning" with another organization as a scout in the near future.

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Most of the time I try and do what I think Pace will based on his past, rumors and Needs/value.

I would personally look harder at a QB in the draft, than I think Pace will.

It is hard to know what Pace will do at QB, he has been so awful at evaluating and valuing them it really clouds up “logical approaches”.

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