Why haven't more coaches tried to mimic Belichick's coaching philosophy?

[The Third Rider]

From what i have heard from former players is that one thing Bill does better than any other coach in the NFL is situational football. He is constantly hands on during the game making sure that adjustments are being made because according to him "if you wait until half time to make adjustments then you already lost the game." He seems to be constantly grilling his players on information about his opponents (any kind of information even personal), about their opponents tendencies and loves to attack that which you are good at. Most teams and head coaches are very stubborn, they always do what works best for them and don't adjust while Bill will force your weakest link prove himself that he can beat you. I think this is why Bill loves versatility, this past game against the Saints they only dressed 3 WRs for the game so what did Bill do? They came out 5 wide to start the game... Because all their RBs can at some level play on the outside. They know they can beat you on a multitude of levels and unless you outright have a very talented roster then the Pats will just out-scheme you week in and week out.

[mcmurtry86]

4 hours ago, DontTazeMeBro said:

I think there's a lot of reasons. One that immediately jumps out to me is that I don't think a lot of organizations  have the patience for it. That second round pick on Kony Ealy they just completely wasted. That's something not everyone is going to get away with. We've seen guys like Josh McDaniels and Chip Kelly come in, chase off some star players in favor of their type of guy. As soon as they hiccup they get ran out of town. Which brings me to another big reason. Most coaches just aren't good enough to pull it off.

Another thing. Most coaches are obsessed with their schemes. The Patriots to me barely ever look the same as the previous year. One year they are just completely conventional. Then they get Moss and it's bombs away. Get rid of Moss and start throwing bubble screens all day. Draft Gronk and Hernandez and have an offense where outside WRs are completely irrelevant. Get Blount and go ground and pound. Get 20 more runningbacks and have a new offense every week. 

 

Many GM's wouldn't get away with "wasting" a 2nd round pick but plenty get away with wasting the return for dropping 9 picks which is what they did.

[Jlowe22]

20 minutes ago, The Third Rider said:

From what i have heard from former players is that one thing Bill does better than any other coach in the NFL is situational football. He is constantly hands on during the game making sure that adjustments are being made because according to him "if you wait until half time to make adjustments then you already lost the game." He seems to constantly grilling his players on information about his opponents (any kind of information even personal), about their opponents tendencies and loves to attack that which you are good at. Most teams and head coaches are very stubborn they always do what works best for them and not adjust while Bill will force your weakest link prove himself that he can beat you. I think this is why Bill loves versatility, this past game against the Saints they only dressed 3 WRs for the game so what did Bill do? They came out 5 wide to start the game... Because all their RBs can at some level play on the outside. They know they can beat you on a multitude of levels and unless you outright have a very talented roster then the Pats will just out-scheme you week in and week out.

The Pats came out 5 wide because they were playing the worst secondary the NFL has ever seen, and even I could have dressed up at wide receiver.

[The Third Rider]

4 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said:

The Pats came out 5 wide because they were playing the worst secondary the NFL has ever seen, and even I could have dressed up at wide receiver.

Well, that is exactly what I said when I mentioned that they will force your weakest link to beat them. Regardless of how bad their secondary is the Pats WRs were pretty depleted and even 2 of them got injured in the game.

[Jlowe22]

Just now, The Third Rider said:

Well, that is exactly what I said when I mentioned that they will force your weakest link to beat them. Regardless of how bad their secondary is the Pats WRs were pretty depleted and even 2 of them got injured in the game.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, only saying that this is the one secondary you can beat with depleted wide receivers.

[DontTazeMeBro]

21 minutes ago, mcmurtry86 said:

Many GM's wouldn't get away with "wasting" a 2nd round pick but plenty get away with wasting the return for dropping 9 picks which is what they did.

My "mistake". I forgot the"Panthers" also "traded" a draft pick in addition to "Ealy." I think that was "obvious"

[Ragnarok]

The thing that has always amazed me about BB is that he figures out what a guy can do and puts them in a position where they can do that thing or things without having their weaknesses exposed.  

Between that and him ensuring that his teams know exactly what to do in all situations...I just don't think a lot of coaches are able to replicate that.  

[lancerman]

Because he has the most intensive wealth of football knowledge in the league, he has a QB who can execute a variety of offensive schemes and adapt to a rotating cast on offense so they aren't beholden to a few key skill players, he has excellent coaches around him, he picks players and builds teams off of skill sets and not an arbitrary estimation of how good the player is, he builds multi faceted teams that can win a variety of ways that can't be broken by taking one thing away 

[TecmoSuperJoe]

8 hours ago, Bolts223 said:

For example everyone copied the west coast offense from Walsh.

It's really hard to even put into words how good of a football coach Bill Belichick is. I don't really think you can make a case for someone like Vince Lombardi anymore as the GOAT coach, Belichick is just so clearly heads and shoulders than any head coach at the NFL level. 

Anyways, it seems like there is really no coach like him either. The premise of Belichick's coaching philosophy is to make some use out of every single roster spot. Every person on that roster has an attribute that can contribute to a very specific situation that may come up in a certain situation. (IE Do your job) It's part of how well he coaches situational football. Yet, you don't see very many coaches with this type of philosophy, it hasn't really revolutionized NFL coaching like the west coast offense has.

I guess my question is, why is this? Shouldn't other coaches be trying to emulate what Belichick and the Patriots have done, being that they have been the golden standard in the NFL for 16 years now?

Well...I think of it this way. How many of Bill's disciples have gone on to have good head coaching careers of their own? Walsh's coaching tree is pretty impressive. 

Situation is also important too. Belichick like Walsh has a fantastic owner along with the best quarterback of his generation at his disposal. That's a huge advantage in addition to already being a great coach. 

Most NFL coaches aren't and never will be playing with a stacked deck like that. 

[Shady Slim]

8 hours ago, Bolts223 said:

For example everyone copied the west coast offense from Walsh.

It's really hard to even put into words how good of a football coach Bill Belichick is. I don't really think you can make a case for someone like Vince Lombardi anymore as the GOAT coach, Belichick is just so clearly heads and shoulders than any head coach at the NFL level. 

Anyways, it seems like there is really no coach like him either. The premise of Belichick's coaching philosophy is to make some use out of every single roster spot. Every person on that roster has an attribute that can contribute to a very specific situation that may come up in a certain situation. (IE Do your job) It's part of how well he coaches situational football. Yet, you don't see very many coaches with this type of philosophy, it hasn't really revolutionized NFL coaching like the west coast offense has.

I guess my question is, why is this? Shouldn't other coaches be trying to emulate what Belichick and the Patriots have done, being that they have been the golden standard in the NFL for 16 years now?

to me the first bolded statement answers the second 

[Hunter2_1]

5 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

The thing that has always amazed me about BB is that he figures out what a guy can do and puts them in a position where they can do that thing or things without having their weaknesses exposed.  

Between that and him ensuring that his teams know exactly what to do in all situations...I just don't think a lot of coaches are able to replicate that.  

Was going to say something similar.

He never usually asks players to do what they can't. People always wonder how the likes of Casillas, Freeny, McLellin, Sheard etc can look average on one team, and world beaters on the Pats. He only gets them to do what they CAN do. He has a player for every situation. We have unconventional looks of both sides of the ball, and it's because he specialises. There's always a reason for things.

That much, can be copied, I'd say. You'd have to be prepared to undergo adjustment/failure first though, and I don't think many owners/fans are willing. 

[TitanLegend]

Belichick does some things great(his defensive mind is one of the greatest ever) and there's no denying that, but it's really easy to forget/look past whatever stupid thing(s) he does when he has the greatest QB to ever play the game to cover up his mistakes. No one remembers stupid decisions by the Pats in games because Brady wins them damn near every close game.

Belichick produced mediocre results before Tom came along, though. Even when he had Drew Bledsoe(not great but certainly not bad) to start in New England things were looking absolutely ugly, then Brady took over and the offense went from 16.7 ppg in Bledsoe's 18 starts under Belichick to 25ppg in Brady's 2001 starts.

Belichick's defensive genius is legendary, but if Bledsoe never gets hurt, Belichick is probably only ever known as being a great DC and a failure as a HC.

[Shady Slim]

i know it's always said but belichick isn't playing chess while everyone else plays checkers

he's risen to the rank of grand master while everyone else eats glue

the things that he does that seem so outlandish or unorthodox can always be logically dissected after the fact in to pure brilliance

there is no coincidence with belichick: he is in complete control and very little of his success imo can be attributed to luck or flukes

...his success in the AFCCG the year of deflategate can be partially attributed to luck but yknow what i mean lollll

[Jlowe22]

You're never gonna win five super bowls without an elite qb.  But when you look at the rest of the league, belichick is head and shoulders above them, even if he does make mistakes occasionally.

[Hunter2_1]

2 hours ago, TitanLegend said:

Belichick does some things great(his defensive mind is one of the greatest ever) and there's no denying that, but it's really easy to forget/look past whatever stupid thing(s) he does when he has the greatest QB to ever play the game to cover up his mistakes. No one remembers stupid decisions by the Pats in games because Brady wins them damn near every close game.

Belichick produced mediocre results before Tom came along, though. Even when he had Drew Bledsoe(not great but certainly not bad) to start in New England things were looking absolutely ugly, then Brady took over and the offense went from 16.7 ppg in Bledsoe's 18 starts under Belichick to 25ppg in Brady's 2001 starts.

Belichick's defensive genius is legendary, but if Bledsoe never gets hurt, Belichick is probably only ever known as being a great DC and a failure as a HC.

Agreed, but that argument is utterly refuted by @Revel8, who posted this funky piece in another thread...

Belichick is the standard in rebuilding, building, and maintaining a team.  

 

"First off, it’s clear that these players’ passing offenses have been the driving force behind their teams’ success. Compare their passing EP to the average margin of victory and you see that it’s each quarterback’s passing game that has created most or all of that point differential – it looks like most of the time, these guys carry their teams.

That said, we can see the EP support (AKA negative plays) has been very different for one player compared to the other three – Brady is the only one to have positive EP support in any category and amazingly has positive EP in ALL support categories. It’s said that the quarterback affects all other players on the field and while that may be true, we’re not seeing it in these results – every other QB has a higher EP average per game than Brady but gets worse support than him.

If we were to round the numbers, it looks like Manning’s and Rodgers’ team support have cost their teams around a field goal in points, on average, while Brees loses roughly 5 points. Meanwhile, Brady’s support has been worth an extra point to his Patriots. We shouldn’t misinterpret these numbers to suggest that somehow Brady is being carried by great support – it’s clear that Brady’s passing game is the engine that drives the Patriots’ success as a team but he’s the only quarterback of the four whose supporting elements haven’t cost him points."

http://www.footballperspective.com/guest-post-support-for-manning-brady-brees-and-rodgers/

 

Nobody's surrounding support beats Brady's.  And that's for a reason.  Bill Belichick.  Arguably the greatest coach and GM of all time.

By Belichick's standard, yes, they have failed Rodgers.  Nobody provides better coaching to as much surrounding talent as Bill Belichick does.  And it quite frankly isn't' even close.