(Polls) Rank/Choose the Top Tackles & Joe Thomas Says Wirfs is a Guard

[Kiwibrown]

To clarify, joe t called wirfs a gaurd that goes to tacklr in year two after training ala ogden.

 

That said, if the 367 pounds dude can move it would be great to have a tackle that big. 

[BrownsDog23]

Good breakdown of Wirfs vs Wills

https://youtu.be/6K-OL21I2xE

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by BrownsDog23

[brownie man]

25 minutes ago, BrownsDog23 said:

Good breakdown of Wirfs vs Wills

https://youtu.be/6K-OL21I2xE

 

Thanks for sharing that

I just watched the whole thing

ive been saying Jedrick Wills is the top guy from the start. And people keep complaining about the right tackle thing neglecting that is Tuas blindside. 
 

Give me Wills he’s the best tackle in this class by far 

[buno67]

On 3/11/2020 at 3:02 PM, Kiwibrown said:

To clarify, joe t called wirfs a gaurd that goes to tacklr in year two after training ala ogden.

 

That said, if the 367 pounds dude can move it would be great to have a tackle that big. 

I think it’s a bad idea for him to spend a year at RG to move to LT after a year. 

[Kiwibrown]

42 minutes ago, buno67 said:

I think it’s a bad idea for him to spend a year at RG to move to LT after a year. 

Jonathan ogden, went from lg to lt

[buno67]

16 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

Jonathan ogden, went from lg to lt

That is a lot easier than going RG to LT. Ogden also played LT in college. 

[Kiwibrown]

Just now, buno67 said:

That is a lot easier than going RG to LT. Ogden also played LT in college. 

Sure. 

[buno67]

Just now, Kiwibrown said:

Sure. 

What? Muscle memory for LG and LT is going to be some what similar. RG to LT, nothing will carry over. He will already have enough trouble going from RT in college to LT in the pros. Rather him not waste any time at another position. 

[bruceb]

1 hour ago, BrownsDog23 said:

Good breakdown of Wirfs vs Wills

https://youtu.be/6K-OL21I2xE

 

Good find.

Thanks for sharing.

[Kiwibrown]

23 minutes ago, buno67 said:

What? Muscle memory for LG and LT is going to be some what similar. RG to LT, nothing will carry over. He will already have enough trouble going from RT in college to LT in the pros. Rather him not waste any time at another position. 

Didnt Larry Allen play multiple positions across the line? Right side and left side.

Some people can and some people cant. 

Some guys are left tackles in college and play rigjt in the nfl. 

It is as much about innate ability as handedness.

[buno67]

4 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

Didnt Larry Allen play multiple positions across the line? Right side and left side.

Some people can and some people cant. 

Some guys are left tackles in college and play rigjt in the nfl. 

It is as much about innate ability as handedness.

Ah so an all time great did it, so a potentially rookie could do it...

those LTs in college who are RTs in NFL do that  cause they aren’t good enough to play LT. A la Mitchell Schwartz. Wirf is gifted enough to play LT but I want him at that position and nothing else. Dude needs to be as technically sound as possible, especially when he wasn’t that technically sound as a RT.   

not selecting a left tackle in today’s league, top 10, to make him play a year at guard, especially RG. 

[Kiwibrown]

4 minutes ago, buno67 said:

Ah so an all time great did it, so a potentially rookie could do it...

those LTs in college who are RTs in NFL do that  cause they aren’t good enough to play LT. A la Mitchell Schwartz. Wirf is gifted enough to play LT but I want him at that position and nothing else. Dude needs to be as technically sound as possible, especially when he wasn’t that technically sound as a RT.   

not selecting a left tackle in today’s league, top 10, to make him play a year at guard, especially RG. 

Fair enough, i was just repeating what an expert had said. 

[bruceb]

31 minutes ago, buno67 said:

Dude needs to be as technically sound as possible, especially when he wasn’t that technically sound as a RT.   

This sounds promising?

[buno67]

5 hours ago, bruceb said:

This sounds promising?

Its why he is being viewed as a guard at the next level

[Mind Character]

On 3/11/2020 at 3:02 PM, Kiwibrown said:

To clarify, joe t called wirfs a gaurd that goes to tacklr in year two after training ala ogden.

 

That said, if the 367 pounds dude can move it would be great to have a tackle that big. 

Comparing Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen in any way to Tristan Wirfs is a travesty.

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Also, no, that's not actually what Joe Thomas said nor is that reflective of the general evaluation/sentiment he repeatedly expressed about Wirfs as a Guard.

He did not as you suggest have the general evaluation that "Tristan Wirfs is a guard who will turn into a tackle in a few years" or intend to imply that "Once Wirfs is a Guard for a few years, he'll be a good or great Tackle later" as is the way you may be interpreting his comment about Wirfs needing to start off as a Guard.

Instead, his comments were more focused on Tristan Wirfs having core, enduring play traits that make him a Guard while his impressive athleticism may give him a chance at Tackle in the future.

Joe Thomas is not the type of person to come out and say "Prospect X has no shot at Tackle, He's only and forever a Guard."

We know that from the Austin Corbett example wherein Joe Thomas was diplomatic in his comments about Corbett when he drafted and in the pre-season painting an optimistic picture of Austin, but alll along the way he was dropping gems and clues about Corbett's heavy-footedness and how he'd likely "need to start off at guard" then going on to say "he's a better fit as a guard." Thomas has since admitted with Andrew Hawkins that it was clear as day from the outset that Corbett had no shot at all as Tackle.

The same type of phrasing has been used by Joe Thomas to describe Wirfs in that he'll say "he's going to need to start a Guard" b/c of core enduring traits. He then repeatedly referenced Wirfs as a Guard when ranking the top 3 Tackles then leaving Wirfs in his own category as a Guard who could be a Tackle.

In general though, Joe Thomas' words aren't the law and unquestionable fact and he's admitted as such that he's not a scout and hasn't scouted the prospects all that heavily. But to clarify, Joe Thomas sees Tristan Wirfs as a Guard and that is such based on the his repeated references to Wirfs Tackle deficiencies and Guard traits much like he did with Corbett when he didn't want to be publicly harsh to a prospect even though he held other beliefs. His repeated references and association with Wirfs as a Guard were similar to the ways he talked about Corbett as a Guard (that's not to say that Joe thinks Wirfs is a bad OLine prospect like Corbett though).

 

Edited March 13, 2020 by Mind Character