DirtyDez Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 In SB’s that they lost, which one would’ve meant more for their legacy had they won? (I know it’s hypothetical so you can’t know how they performed but humor me)... Elway: 86’ vs Giants 87’ vs Redskins 89’ vs 49ers Kelly: 90’ vs Giants 91’ vs Redskins 92’ vs Cowboys 93’ vs Cowboys Warner: 01’ vs Patriots 08’ vs Steelers Manning: 10’ vs Colts 13’ vs Seahawks Brady: 12’ vs Giants 17’ vs Eagles (07’ is too obvious) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, DirtyDez said: In SB’s that they lost, which one would’ve meant more for their legacy had they won? (I know it’s hypothetical so you can’t know how they performed but humor me)... Elway: 86’ vs Giants 87’ vs Redskins 89’ vs 49ers Kelly: 90’ vs Giants 91’ vs Redskins 92’ vs Cowboys 93’ vs Cowboys Warner: 01’ vs Patriots 08’ vs Steelers Manning: 10’ vs Colts 13’ vs Seahawks Brady: 12’ vs Giants 17’ vs Eagles (07’ is too obvious) Liked this for like 1,000! Elway: None, the last two did the work for him. Kelly: Literally any of them validate that entire team. Warner: The Cards would have been bigger because it would be the 2nd time he took an unsuccessful franchise and won a SB. Manning: Colts, I'd say. Had he won that, I think the Colts let Manning come back after his neck issue. Brady: Eagles, maybe? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 kelly would probably be consensus top 10 all-time QB if the Bills won those 4 superbowls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Not one of the options, but if Cam Newton would have beaten the Broncos in 2016, he'd have a case for the HOF. But that game (and that one play where he refused to recover his fumble) literally tarnished his whole legacy. I've never seen a single game completely 180 everyone's perception of a guy like that game did. I actually feel bad for the guy From the list, I'd go with Manning in 2013 vs the Seahawks just because of how embarrassing that game was. Manning should have won way more than 2 SBs in his career Edited March 8, 2020 by Canuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, August4th said: kelly would probably be consensus top 10 all-time QB if the Bills won those 4 superbowls. You can only pick one and even with one you’re probably right. 2 hours ago, Canuck said: Not one of the options, but if Cam Newton would have beaten the Broncos in 2016, he'd have a case for the HOF. But that game (and that one play where he refused to recover his fumble) literally tarnished his whole legacy. I've never seen a single game completely 180 everyone's perception of a guy like that game did. I actually feel bad for the guy From the list, I'd go with Manning in 2013 vs the Seahawks just because of how embarrassing that game was. Manning should have won way more than 2 SBs in his career Only picked guys with multiple SB losses. The others not listed were Staubach and Tarkenton but they were before my time. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, DirtyDez said: In SB’s that they lost, which one would’ve meant more for their legacy had they won? (I know it’s hypothetical so you can’t know how they performed but humor me)... Elway: 86’ vs Giants 87’ vs Redskins 89’ vs 49ers Largely irrelevant, IMO. 9 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Kelly: 90’ vs Giants 91’ vs Redskins 92’ vs Cowboys 93’ vs Cowboys I think in 93 vs the Cowboys. It would’ve completely validated what could’ve been a dynasty team. Not to mention the Boys we’re rolling at full steam by then. 9 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Warner: 01’ vs Patriots 08’ vs Steelers 08 for sure. Warner at the end of his career giving Arizona a championship would’ve been amazing for him and that team. 9 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Manning: 10’ vs Colts 13’ vs Seahawks 2013 - erases a significant blemish on what should be (and many consider to be) the GOAT offense. 9 hours ago, DirtyDez said: Brady: 12’ vs Giants 17’ vs Eagles (07’ is too obvious) VS the Giants. Vengeance for taking the perfect season. The Eagles loss wasn’t fun but it was sandwiched between two SB wins so it’s hard to put extra weight into it. The second go around with NYG was the Pats’ first trip back since part one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Kelly easily with anyone of those SBs. Those 4 losses wiped alot of what the Bill's accomplished from memory because they couldnt win the big one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 The last 1 vs. the Cowboys. It would have meant knocking off one of the top teams in the NFL at the time, also it would have been good for him to finally win a Super Bowl after 3 straight Super Bowl losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 For Brady, Eagles Super Bowl because the game might be considered the greatest individual performance in NFL history (500+ passing yards) if they’d won, and being able to win without your defense forcing the other team to punt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 11:03 PM, Yin-Yang said: The Eagles loss wasn’t fun but it was sandwiched between two SB wins so it’s hard to put extra weight into it. I think that's what gives it weight - with a W there, we're looking at the first ever three-peat in the SB era. Three-peating might be a bigger accomplishment than going undefeated. I mean, the 1972 Dolphins went undefeated, but nobody in the SB era ever won three in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ET80 said: I think that's what gives it weight - with a W there, we're looking at the first ever three-peat in the SB era. Three-peating might be a bigger accomplishment than going undefeated. I mean, the 1972 Dolphins went undefeated, but nobody in the SB era ever won three in a row. I hear you, but do you think that moves the needle for the modern Pats? For me, their legacy’s set whether it was 2/3 or 3/3 in the 2010s. Going down as the undisputed GOAT team would mean a ton more, IMO. And as a fan, I’d ever take the 2011 revenge shot over the Philly bowl, but that could be biased. Nothing was worse than 07 but 2011 was like football PTSD. At least by the Philly II, the resume is pretty much complete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/7/2020 at 8:04 PM, Canuck said: Not one of the options, but if Cam Newton would have beaten the Broncos in 2016, he'd have a case for the HOF. No not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Danger said: No not really. With how low the standards are nowadays for letting guys in the HOF, you don't think a guy with an MVP + SB would have a case for the HOF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Canuck said: With how low the standards are nowadays for letting guys in the HOF, you don't think a guy with an MVP + SB would have a case for the HOF? Cam Newton is simply this generations' McNabb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Danger said: No not really. Think he would have a better case than Rivers & folks saying Rivers is borderline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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