AlexGreen#20 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Ultra light box, 2 deep safeties with fill responsibilities, that's really tough to defend. Jonathan Allen is going to take a really bad first step here and realize he's blown it already. He tries to take the inside path, and just doesn't get there in time. Jones is just going to run right through the blown gap and pick up 16 yards. Jake Kumerow as a lead blocker makes this list twice. Can't even say he doesn't deserve this one. He stuck the hell out of the safety in the box and sprung Jones for a really long run here. Redskins are going to do a really nice job of reading this one and filling aggressively. This was originally supposed to go between Turner and Bulaga, but Collins gets up into the line nicely and kinda ruins that. Jones breaks it outside at that point, and Lewis gets enough of Sweat to get Jones the edge. Bulaga just puts this one on the highlight reel and Smith does an excellent job of showing us what happens when a talented ILB gets kill-shotted. Everybody does their job here except for LVE. He doesn't get deep enough into the line, and ends up getting blown past. Inside linebackers playing edge contain is always scary. Jones makes a great play here to read this and get outside. Sometimes there's highlights, and sometimes there's bad tackling. Prince Amukamara here does an excellent job of securing his nomination for the Deion Sanders Award for ****tiness in Tackling Among Corners. Jake Kumerow for Fullback. In reality, Lewis is going to have a tremendous block against Kuechly. Bulaga's going to have a tremendous block against Kawaan Short, and when your two guys both win blocks against the other team's best front seven players, you tend to have long runs. This was probably my favorite play of the year. MVS stumbles into a great block on Xavier Rhodes, and Elgton Jenkins has a bunch of good blocks here. I really enjoyed this one. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 I bring this up because there's going to have to be a discussion about paying Jones long term. I think there's an argument to be made that in 5 of these 8, (Vikings, Bears, Cowboy 1, Redskins 1, and Redskins 2) Jones didn't really have any kind of highlight play. Jones made tremendous reads on the other 3 plays to get this yardage, and that's not an insult to Jones overall, but I don't this production is irreplaceable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I don't this production is irreplaceable. I think that's where many are sitting and we've talked about these generalities: * You don't pay RB's * RB's are a dime a dozen * You can just plug in another late rounder in the outside zone offense The area where I push back on some of these comments is that reality is often slightly different than the generalities. Many RB's just don't make the leap to the pro's Most RB's struggle in pass pro early on Some get injured ( toughest position in NFL) Some get into trouble with the law Some get fat Here's the Packers RBs dating back to 2011. These are just the ones that made the roster, there's a ton more FAs and UDFAs that didn't make it out of camp Ryan Grant James Starks John Kuhn DuJuan Harris Alex Green Cedric Benson James Starks Eddie Lacy Johnathan Franklin Ty Montgomery Don Jackson Aaron Ripkowski Jamaal Williams Aaron Jones Danny Vitale If its so easy to replace production and RBs are a dime a dozen - then why are there so few that you'd swap for Aaron Jones ? Do the Packers suck at securing RBs OR is it possible that despite the high supply, the number that actually work out is rather finite ? If Jones is open to a shorter deal, an extension that puts cash in his pocket now- I'd be open to that option. If he wants a 5 yr Zeke Deal, see ya later I just don't think its as easy to replace Jones and some would suggest, but maybe there are some Packer-centric reasons for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccammon07 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Judging by your username I'm not sure you'd be my first option in evaluating RB's. Jones is the best running back we've had since Ahman Green. He should be resigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, mccammon07 said: Judging by your username I'm not sure you'd be my first option in evaluating RB's. Jones is the best running back we've had since Ahman Green. He should be resigned. Alex Green > Aaron Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, mccammon07 said: Judging by your username I'm not sure you'd be my first option in evaluating RB's. Jones is the best running back we've had since Ahman Green. He should be resigned. Judging by yours you're 13 years old. Quit judging by usernames. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccammon07 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, HighCalebR said: Judging by yours you're 13 years old. Quit judging by usernames. Yikes! I was kind of joking. What do you have against 13 year olds? 1 hour ago, Gopackgonerd said: Alex Green > Aaron Jones You're kidding. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Formal requests: MVS good plays. Jaire Alexander good plays. Darnell Savage good plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Shanedorf said: I think that's where many are sitting and we've talked about these generalities: * You don't pay RB's * RB's are a dime a dozen * You can just plug in another late rounder in the outside zone offense The area where I push back on some of these comments is that reality is often slightly different than the generalities. Many RB's just don't make the leap to the pro's Most RB's struggle in pass pro early on Some get injured ( toughest position in NFL) Some get into trouble with the law Some get fat Here's the Packers RBs dating back to 2011. These are just the ones that made the roster, there's a ton more FAs and UDFAs that didn't make it out of camp Ryan Grant James Starks John Kuhn DuJuan Harris Alex Green Cedric Benson James Starks Eddie Lacy Johnathan Franklin Ty Montgomery Don Jackson Aaron Ripkowski Jamaal Williams Aaron Jones Danny Vitale If its so easy to replace production and RBs are a dime a dozen - then why are there so few that you'd swap for Aaron Jones ? Do the Packers suck at securing RBs OR is it possible that despite the high supply, the number that actually work out is rather finite ? If Jones is open to a shorter deal, an extension that puts cash in his pocket now- I'd be open to that option. If he wants a 5 yr Zeke Deal, see ya later I just don't think its as easy to replace Jones and some would suggest, but maybe there are some Packer-centric reasons for that. Beyond Eddie Lacy, that's about the minimal amount of resources you could put in that room. We had no back when we drafted Jones and Williams, late day 3. Just not a position you pay unless you're getting value. If Jones signed a 3/24 contract, sure. Anything 10+, so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_gb Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, mccammon07 said: Judging by your username I'm not sure you'd be my first option in evaluating RB's. Jones is the best running back we've had since Ahman Green. He should be resigned. Disagree, I know people think this is a strong Wide Receiver class, but what they're sleeping on is that this is also a strong Running back class. I just don't see the value in shelling out money right now to a Running Back and Todd Gurley, Le'veon Bell, David Johnson are all reasons as of late that I'm not willing to invest prime money into that position. I love Aaron Jones, don't get me wrong, he had a tremendous year but I'm with @AlexGreen#20 on this one. I do not think that Aaron Jones production is irreplaceable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, mccammon07 said: Yikes! I was kind of joking. What do you have against 13 year olds? You're kidding. Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccammon07 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nick_gb said: Disagree, I know people think this is a strong Wide Receiver class, but what they're sleeping on is that this is also a strong Running back class. I just don't see the value in shelling out money right now to a Running Back and Todd Gurley, Le'veon Bell, David Johnson are all reasons as of late that I'm not willing to invest prime money into that position. I love Aaron Jones, don't get me wrong, he had a tremendous year but I'm with @AlexGreen#20 on this one. I do not think that Aaron Jones production is irreplaceable. I guess it's my opinion that we maybe have 3 to 5 years of Rodgers left. I don't understand why when we have finally found a decent RB to put behind him we would let him go. Look at the list that was posted of RB's we've had. Not good other than a couple good years with Lacy. If Jones wants Zeke money I'm all for letting him go. He won't get Zeke money because he's not the player Zeke is. But he is the best RB we've had in the Rodgers era and I we should spend some money and keep him. Your right that he's not irreplaceable, but I wouldn't want to spend the last of Rodger's time here trying to replace him because they wanted to go the cheaper route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I bring this up because there's going to have to be a discussion about paying Jones long term. I think there's an argument to be made that in 5 of these 8, (Vikings, Bears, Cowboy 1, Redskins 1, and Redskins 2) Jones didn't really have any kind of highlight play. Jones made tremendous reads on the other 3 plays to get this yardage, and that's not an insult to Jones overall, but I don't this production is irreplaceable. I don't trust that we will find a back near as good as Jones, and not willing to take that gamble. I think he needs to be re-upped for three more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_gb Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 1 hour ago, mccammon07 said: I guess it's my opinion that we maybe have 3 to 5 years of Rodgers left. I don't understand why when we have finally found a decent RB to put behind him we would let him go. Look at the list that was posted of RB's we've had. Not good other than a couple good years with Lacy. If Jones wants Zeke money I'm all for letting him go. He won't get Zeke money because he's not the player Zeke is. But he is the best RB we've had in the Rodgers era and I we should spend some money and keep him. Your right that he's not irreplaceable, but I wouldn't want to spend the last of Rodger's time here trying to replace him because they wanted to go the cheaper route. I think that list becomes irrelevant when you factor in what we invested to get those players, then you factor in Mike McCarthy's system versus MLF's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 17 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Beyond Eddie Lacy, that's about the minimal amount of resources you could put in that room. So what you're saying is aligned with what I am saying. IF the Packers move on from Aaron Jones, they are going to have to invest at least a 1, 2, or 3 and hope like hell they work out. Which isn't always the case, as history has shown us. Betting that you can find another Jones in rounds 4-7 is an even lousier bet https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/rb Even among the teams that spent a premium pick, the hit rate ain't great Wash spent a 2nd on Guice, got nuthin for it Dalvin Cook is good, but not only did he miss an entire season, last year he missed the pivotal division-deciding game in minny Kareem Hunt, derailed career D'Onta Foreman ? bust Samaje Perine, flame out CJ Prosise ? crapola I'm reasonably certain the Chargers thought Melvin Gordon would do better than he did despite their big investment in round 1 ( and moving up for him) So the idea that "all the Packers have to do is make a bigger investment in the RB room" and all is well, is not supported by NFL history or Packer history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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