detroitroar Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, detroitroar said: Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now. Yup. Which is a big part of why we have such a drop off from a championship caliber team, both in W's and in 2nd rounders on the roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, detroitroar said: Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now. 2016 - A'Shawn Robinson 2018 - Kerryon Johnson 2019 - Jahlani Tavai I don't think those three players have been 'awful' by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitroar Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Ashawn was ok. Hes gone. Kerryon has been ok. He wont be here much longer if he continues to get hurt. Tavai was good I thought for a rookie. Tabor bust. Abdullah bust. Broyles bust. Leshoure bust. Young bust. I suppose Quinn has been better than Mayhew, but it's not saying much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: 2016 - A'Shawn Robinson 2018 - Kerryon Johnson 2019 - Jahlani Tavai I don't think those three players have been 'awful' by any means. 2013 - Slay (Good) 2014 - Van Noy (Not good with Det) 2015 - Abdullah (Not good) 2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate) 2017 - Tabor (Terrible) 2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy) 2019 - Tavai (TBD) We've had one good 2nd rounder since 2013 and he has been dealing with injury issues for most of his career. Tavai is far too early to tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: 2013 - Slay (Good) 2014 - Van Noy (Not good with Det) 2015 - Abdullah (Not good) 2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate) 2017 - Tabor (Terrible) 2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy) 2019 - Tavai (TBD) We've had one good 2nd rounder since 2013 and he has been dealing with injury issues for most of his career. Tavai is far too early to tell. I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitroar Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". I'll go ahead and rephrase for you TL. Our 2nd rounders havent helped us win much. Better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitroar Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Two more busts if you back a year too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". 2009 - Lous Delmas (Good) 2010 - No second rounder 2011 - Titus Young (Bad) 2012 - Ryan Broyles (Bad) 2013 - Slay (Good) 2014 - Van Noy (Bad with/ Detroit) 2015 - Abdullah (Not good) 2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate) 2017 - Tabor (Terrible) 2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy) 2019 - Tavai (TBD) Call it 3.5 out of 10 or a 35% hit rate. Sorry TL, but that's not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, detroitroar said: Ashawn was ok. Hes gone. Kerryon has been ok. He wont be here much longer if he continues to get hurt. Tavai was good I thought for a rookie. Tabor bust. Abdullah bust. Broyles bust. Leshoure bust. Young bust. I suppose Quinn has been better than Mayhew, but it's not saying much. My bad, didn't know you were going that far back. Wasn't trying to be critical or anything... just seemed like we've had a few good second round picks in the recent past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Karnage84 said: 2009 - Lous Delmas (Good) 2010 - No second rounder 2011 - Titus Young (Bad) 2012 - Ryan Broyles (Bad) 2013 - Slay (Good) 2014 - Van Noy (Bad with/ Detroit) 2015 - Abdullah (Not good) 2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate) 2017 - Tabor (Terrible) 2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy) 2019 - Tavai (TBD) Call it 3.5 out of 10 or a 35% hit rate. Sorry TL, but that's not good. Yeah, we've had some terrible second round picks. There's no debate there. I was specifically responding to "Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". I felt that we'd had a few non-awful 2nd round picks recently, A'Shawn and Kerryon being two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Yeah, we've had some terrible second round picks. There's no debate there. I was specifically responding to "Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". I felt that we'd had a few non-awful 2nd round picks recently, A'Shawn and Kerryon being two. A'Shawn is my .5, which means that KJ could wind up being a "Bad" pick if he can't contribute much this year. He had his best year in 2018 next to Snacks. Otherwise he has been an underperforming player. For whatever the reason, the Lions have just not been very good at hitting on their 2nd rounders regardless of who is the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 If memory serves me correctly, Quinn's 3rd rounders have been pretty good though. His second rounders have been above average. His first rounders aren't sexy, but get the job done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) Mayhew - 3/6 = 50% 2009 - Levy (Good) 2010 - Spievey (Bad) 2011 - No 3rd 2012 - Bill Bentley (Bad) 2013 - Warford (Good) 2014 - Swanson (Good) 2015 - Carter (Bad) Quinn = 3/3 = 100% 2016 - Glasgow (Good) 2017 - Golladay (Good) 2018 - Walker (Good) 2019 - Harris (TBD) We're 6/9 collectively or 66%. Edited March 20, 2020 by Karnage84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, LionArkie said: If memory serves me correctly, Quinn's 3rd rounders have been pretty good though. His second rounders have been above average. His first rounders aren't sexy, but get the job done. I feel like part of the "unsexy" 1st rounders is partially due to draft position. When you're just good enough to not be awful, you end up drafting 16th, 21st and 20th, difficult draft positions to land a truly elite player. That's why I was glad when we didn't attempt to salvage last year and instead fielded the players that we did: the value we have this year is such that can turn around a franchise. If Quinn misses here, there's no excuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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