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8 minutes ago, detroitroar said:

Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now.

Yup. Which is a big part of why we have such a drop off from a championship caliber team, both in W's and in 2nd rounders on the roster. 

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10 minutes ago, detroitroar said:

Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now.

2016 - A'Shawn Robinson

2018 - Kerryon Johnson

2019 - Jahlani Tavai

I don't think those three players have been 'awful' by any means.

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Ashawn was ok. Hes gone. Kerryon has been ok. He wont be here much longer if he continues to get hurt.

Tavai was good I thought for a rookie. 

Tabor bust. Abdullah bust. Broyles bust. Leshoure bust. Young bust. I suppose Quinn has been better than Mayhew, but it's not saying much. 

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1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

2016 - A'Shawn Robinson

2018 - Kerryon Johnson

2019 - Jahlani Tavai

I don't think those three players have been 'awful' by any means.

2013 - Slay (Good)

2014 - Van Noy (Not good with Det)

2015 - Abdullah (Not good)

2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate)

2017 - Tabor (Terrible)

2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy)

2019 - Tavai (TBD)

We've had one good 2nd rounder since 2013 and he has been dealing with injury issues for most of his career. Tavai is far too early to tell. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

2013 - Slay (Good)

2014 - Van Noy (Not good with Det)

2015 - Abdullah (Not good)

2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate)

2017 - Tabor (Terrible)

2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy)

2019 - Tavai (TBD)

We've had one good 2nd rounder since 2013 and he has been dealing with injury issues for most of his career. Tavai is far too early to tell. 

I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now".

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3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now".

I'll go ahead and rephrase for you TL.

Our 2nd rounders havent helped us win much. Better? 

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1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

I agree. Two out of six being 'awful' certainly doesn't follow the "our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now".

2009 - Lous Delmas (Good)

2010 - No second rounder

2011 - Titus Young (Bad)

2012 - Ryan Broyles (Bad)

2013 - Slay (Good)

2014 - Van Noy (Bad with/ Detroit)

2015 - Abdullah (Not good)

2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate)

2017 - Tabor (Terrible)

2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy)

2019 - Tavai (TBD)

Call it 3.5 out of 10 or a 35% hit rate. Sorry TL, but that's not good. 

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14 minutes ago, detroitroar said:

Ashawn was ok. Hes gone. Kerryon has been ok. He wont be here much longer if he continues to get hurt.

Tavai was good I thought for a rookie. 

Tabor bust. Abdullah bust. Broyles bust. Leshoure bust. Young bust. I suppose Quinn has been better than Mayhew, but it's not saying much. 

My bad, didn't know you were going that far back. Wasn't trying to be critical or anything... just seemed like we've had a few good second round picks in the recent past.

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1 minute ago, Karnage84 said:

2009 - Lous Delmas (Good)

2010 - No second rounder

2011 - Titus Young (Bad)

2012 - Ryan Broyles (Bad)

2013 - Slay (Good)

2014 - Van Noy (Bad with/ Detroit)

2015 - Abdullah (Not good)

2016 - A'Shawn (Moderate)

2017 - Tabor (Terrible)

2018 - Kerryon (Good when healthy)

2019 - Tavai (TBD)

Call it 3.5 out of 10 or a 35% hit rate. Sorry TL, but that's not good. 

Yeah, we've had some terrible second round picks. There's no debate there.

I was specifically responding to "Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". I felt that we'd had a few non-awful 2nd round picks recently, A'Shawn and Kerryon being two.

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Just now, TL-TwoWinsAway said:

Yeah, we've had some terrible second round picks. There's no debate there.

I was specifically responding to "Our 2nd rounders have been awful for quite some time now". I felt that we'd had a few non-awful 2nd round picks recently, A'Shawn and Kerryon being two.

A'Shawn is my .5, which means that KJ could wind up being a "Bad" pick if he can't contribute much this year. He had his best year in 2018 next to Snacks. Otherwise he has been an underperforming player. 

For whatever the reason, the Lions have just not been very good at hitting on their 2nd rounders regardless of who is the GM. 

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If memory serves me correctly, Quinn's 3rd rounders have been pretty good though. His second rounders have been above average.  His first rounders aren't sexy, but get the job done.

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Posted (edited)

Mayhew - 3/6 = 50%

2009 - Levy (Good)

2010 - Spievey (Bad)

2011 - No 3rd

2012 - Bill Bentley (Bad)

2013 - Warford (Good)

2014 - Swanson (Good)

2015 - Carter (Bad)

 

Quinn = 3/3 = 100%

2016 - Glasgow (Good)

2017 - Golladay (Good)

2018 - Walker (Good)

2019 - Harris (TBD)

 

We're 6/9 collectively or 66%. 

Edited by Karnage84

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29 minutes ago, LionArkie said:

If memory serves me correctly, Quinn's 3rd rounders have been pretty good though. His second rounders have been above average.  His first rounders aren't sexy, but get the job done.

I feel like part of the "unsexy" 1st rounders is partially due to draft position. When you're just good enough to not be awful, you end up drafting 16th, 21st and 20th, difficult draft positions to land a truly elite player. That's why I was glad when we didn't attempt to salvage last year and instead fielded the players that we did: the value we have this year is such that can turn around a franchise. If Quinn misses here, there's no excuse.

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