AKRNA Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: Not sure what they were supposed to do about Chris when he turned down a better offer last year and told the Chiefs to “come get him”. He made it pretty clear he didn’t want to come back. I think they’re done getting discounts anyway and are coming to grips with that new reality. League-wide, there really aren’t many hometown discounts. Most teams have to pay market value even for their own guys. The discount comes when you sign them early. Yeah, I know. Doesn't make me feel better though. To me , once a guy does give that Hometown discount, Wolfe and CHJ were big ones, the team should step up a bit and give a "loyalty bonus" on the final contract. With Wolfe and CHJ it was a one way street. Granted though, I'm pretty old school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomaxgrUK Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) I love CHJ and Wolfe but sometimes it got a bit boring hearing them compare our culture to the Superbowl team. It's a new team and it needs a new identity. I think starting afresh is a good thing, frankly. Edited March 29, 2020 by lomaxgrUK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 15 hours ago, AKRNA said: Yeah, I know. Doesn't make me feel better though. To me , once a guy does give that Hometown discount, Wolfe and CHJ were big ones, the team should step up a bit and give a "loyalty bonus" on the final contract. With Wolfe and CHJ it was a one way street. Granted though, I'm pretty old school. Didn't CHJ get a $3M bonus last year ?? What did the team get for that, by his own admission he played substandard ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 18 hours ago, AKRNA said: Yeah, I know. Doesn't make me feel better though. To me , once a guy does give that Hometown discount, Wolfe and CHJ were big ones, the team should step up a bit and give a "loyalty bonus" on the final contract. With Wolfe and CHJ it was a one way street. Granted though, I'm pretty old school. Steve Atwater didn't get a loyalty award, nor did Shannon Sharpe. Those guys are HOFers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncos67 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 4:31 AM, lomaxgrUK said: I love CHJ and Wolfe but sometimes it got a bit boring hearing them compare our culture to the Superbowl team. It's a new team and it needs a new identity. I think starting afresh is a good thing, frankly. Couldn't agree more. A lot of complaining on the sidelines, not a lot of stepping up and changing the culture. As is usually the case, sometimes it's best just to part ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 For what it’s worth, I think Jurell Casey is an upgrade on Derek Wolfe and Bouye is only a minor downgrade on CHJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 4 hours ago, broncos67 said: Couldn't agree more. A lot of complaining on the sidelines, not a lot of stepping up and changing the culture. As is usually the case, sometimes it's best just to part ways. it was just time for everyone to move on, i think. doesn't take away from who those guys are and what they did in Denver. annoying as hell seeing broncos fans on twitter talking crap about CHJ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 10:53 PM, BroncoBruin said: Not sure what they were supposed to do about Chris when he turned down a better offer last year and told the Chiefs to “come get him”. He made it pretty clear he didn’t want to come back. I think they’re done getting discounts anyway and are coming to grips with that new reality. League-wide, there really aren’t many hometown discounts. Most teams have to pay market value even for their own guys. The discount comes when you sign them early. I also think that when Wolfe and CHJ took hometown discounts was during a unique time with the franchise when we had Peyton and went on the FA splash, the guys knew they had a window to win and opted to stay here. I do agree that this could lead to a bad precedent and potentially hurt us long-term but we also have to look at the 2013-16 window in context. Even still, really sad to see Wolfe go. And to Baltimore nonetheless, a team I loathe almost as much as the Pats and Raiders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I wouldn’t mind adding Taylor Gabriel or Paul Richardson to add some experience to the WR room 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Quote Even still, really sad to see Wolfe go. And to Baltimore nonetheless, a team I loathe almost as much as the Pats and Raiders. Not sure why you hold this opinion, but personally I think Wolfe is a great culture fit in Baltimore. That team always has tough as nails defenders and Derek will be such a great fit. They also maximize DL and find ways for their guys to win. I think he will have a great season if he stays healthy. Quote I wouldn’t mind adding Taylor Gabriel or Paul Richardson to add some experience to the WR room I wish. Both have that deep threat skillset that I love out of a WR4. Richardson especially could be one of those guys that only catches like 20 passes a year but gets 20YPC by catching the defense off guard and feasting on depth CBs or mismatches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Re: Richardson, more iffy on him for 2 reasons - first, the ACL he tore was his 2nd one on his left knee. I don't know that he's been quite the same since.....and he's only been hurt over & over. Which is part of the discount, but also consider this - soft tissue injuries & our altitude, not a great combination. It's not to the extreme as sickle cell trait (which is an absolute contraindication), but I'd generally avoid unless it's a vet-min type deal - then there's literally no risk baked in other than opportunity cost. I do hope Elway hits WR 2x before Rd4 is done, though. Still, those guys aren't likely to be 2020 WR2's....so yeah, disappointing we didn't get a Dorsett-type guy (who would have been an amazing fit too, and he only cost 1M...oh well). Gabriels' meh IMO, but he does provide the speed. I kinda am more partial to Rashad Higgins, and find the speed guy in the draft (but that's why I loved Anderson/Perriman <both too much $$ though for who they are> & Dorsett <1M...sigh>). Edited March 30, 2020 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I don’t think it’s unlikely that a first round WR will be a productive WR2 as a rookie. That’s way overstating it, especially when you’re citing guys who’ve been largely irrelevant in their careers as better options. Dorsett is worth that much because he’s bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutler06 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Have we cut Jeff Heuerman yet ?? Thought he'd be gone by now, freeing up another $4MM or so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncos67 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 14 hours ago, Broncofan said: Re: Richardson, more iffy on him for 2 reasons - first, the ACL he tore was his 2nd one on his left knee. I don't know that he's been quite the same since.....and he's only been hurt over & over. Which is part of the discount, but also consider this - soft tissue injuries & our altitude, not a great combination. It's not to the extreme as sickle cell trait (which is an absolute contraindication), but I'd generally avoid unless it's a vet-min type deal - then there's literally no risk baked in other than opportunity cost. I do hope Elway hits WR 2x before Rd4 is done, though. Still, those guys aren't likely to be 2020 WR2's....so yeah, disappointing we didn't get a Dorsett-type guy (who would have been an amazing fit too, and he only cost 1M...oh well). Gabriels' meh IMO, but he does provide the speed. I kinda am more partial to Rashad Higgins, and find the speed guy in the draft (but that's why I loved Anderson/Perriman <both too much $$ though for who they are> & Dorsett <1M...sigh>). I think the WRs we draft can be effective if used properly. That's the key. I kind of expect Denver to pick up a veteran WR after the draft just for competition purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, broncos67 said: I think the WRs we draft can be effective if used properly. That's the key. I kind of expect Denver to pick up a veteran WR after the draft just for competition purposes. For sure. WR2, though, is a tall task. And asking that for a rookie is a tall, tall order, even more so from Week 1. Even the most impact year 1 rookies rarely were ready Opening Week - AJ Brown & Samuel were 2H terrors, but mostly ghosts in 1H. That's why I keep pointing out that we have to stop thinking the draft will address year 1 needs. Rd1 guys have the talent, but WR is a tough position to impact right away - one only needs to look at Sutton to see that in spades (again, bigger 2H impact there as well, and overall hard to say he gave us a solid WR2 year in a vacuum). It's a big reason for why I see 2021+ as our legit window to contend, and why I argue against stop-gap signings unless it's vet-min, no-guaranteed $ type deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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