TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said: Just ask Rod Marinelli about that, right? You can have the most try hard of the try hards, you can't win in the NFL without talent. A good coach has the ability to manage talent. Oh boy. One unsuccessful coach a point does not prove. I could respond with a list of the best head coaches of all time, but the point is too obvious to require such effort. I don't think anyone is suggesting that we don't need talent. Talent wasn't mentioned... it's assumed. We had plenty of talented players that didn't buy in, and the result was disappointing. We need players that do buy in. (Talent assumed.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Because the Patriots are looking to build the next dynasty while Patricia is still in the process of bringing his version of the "Do Your Job" culture to Detroit. Another difference in all of that is they had 42 year old and now 43 year old Tom Brady where we have 32 year old Matthew Stafford. Our window is still open for at least another 5 years, assuming he can stay healthy. It's comical to think of the Lions and Patriots, the Patriots are the ones who need a rebuild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Oh boy. One unsuccessful coach a point does not prove. I could respond with a list of the best head coaches of all time, but the point is too obvious to require such effort. I don't think anyone is suggesting that we don't need talent. Talent wasn't mentioned... it's assumed. We had plenty of talented players that didn't buy in, and the result was disappointing. We need players that do buy in. (Talent assumed.) Why is talent assumed? BQ hasn't proved he is able to find the talent his coach needs to be successful. In fact, recently they have jettisoned talent in favor of guys who buy in. Similar to what Marinelli did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said: Why is talent assumed? BQ hasn't proved he is able to find the talent his coach needs to be successful. In fact, recently they have jettisoned talent in favor of guys who buy in. Similar to what Marinelli did. Are you arguing that players like Flowers and Collins lack talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: It's comical to think of the Lions and Patriots, the Patriots are the ones who need a rebuild. The Lions are building while the Patriots are rebuilding. The culture already exists in NE while Patricia is trying to change the current losing culture and bring his flavour of the Patriots culture to Detroit. Nobody is guaranteeing it will work but you have to recognize things for what they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Are you arguing that players like Flowers and Collins lack talent? For someone who shouts "context" every opportunity to defend this regime, you sure do ignore a lot of it. 6 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: BQ hasn't proved he is able to find the talent his coach needs to be successful. Flowers sure didn't have the impact you'd hope for from a guy who was given the contract Quinn gave him in the first year. We will need to see if Collins is able to have that impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: you have to recognize things for what they are. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: For someone who shouts "context" every opportunity to defend this regime, you sure do ignore a lot of it. Flowers sure didn't have the impact you'd hope for from a guy who was given the contract Quinn gave him in the first year. We will need to see if Collins is able to have that impact. Surely this had NOTHING TO DO WITH STAFFORD'S INJURY. Surely not. Incredible. Edited March 19, 2020 by TL-TwoWinsAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Nnivolcm said: For someone who shouts "context" every opportunity to defend this regime, you sure do ignore a lot of it. Flowers sure didn't have the impact you'd hope for from a guy who was given the contract Quinn gave him in the first year. We will need to see if Collins is able to have that impact. Trey Flowers - PFF Score - 83.0 He had some poor games in the first stretch, despite having two games with his highest scores of the season in the 90's against KC and NYG. He was consistently good from Week 11 and onwards. So yeah, first impressions weren't great but he had a strong finish after getting through an injury and getting up to speed with things. It's not like he only signed a 1 year deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Surely this has NOTHING TO DO WITH STAFFORD'S INJURY. Surely not. Incredible. A healthy Stafford wouldn't have fixed the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: PFF Score Flowers didn't live up the the expectations anyone who looked at the contract he was given would expect. The pass rush as a whole was non existent. Especially when it was needed the most. Edit: You're right about it not being a 1 year contract. The Flowers contract will probably haunt the next regime too. Edited March 19, 2020 by Nnivolcm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: I would say it's significant enough it enforces the narrative Quinn and Patricia and NE. It most certainly does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: A healthy Stafford wouldn't have fixed the defense. That part is completely fair, the defense was a mess. However, once Stafford went down, our offensive firepower did struggle and we lost games. Driskell and Blough made their best efforts but they're not Stafford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Karnage84 said: That part is completely fair, the defense was a mess. However, once Stafford went down, our offensive firepower did struggle and we lost games. Driskell and Blough made their best efforts but they're not Stafford. Very true, but we weren't exactly killing it with Stafford either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nnivolcm said: Very true, but we weren't exactly killing it with Stafford either. You mean MVP candidate Stafford? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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