TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Not free: Few pro athletes suffer heart problems after covid-19, leagues’ study shows. Quote Of the 789 athletes who tested positive for the coronavirus, 460 (or 58.3 percent) were considered symptomatic, with the rest asymptomatic. Only 30 athletes, 23 of whom came from the symptomatic group, were referred for additional cardiac testing, and only five of those were diagnosed with inflammatory heart disease: three with myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, and two with pericarditis, or inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/03/04/athletes-myocarditis-heart-covid-19/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/31003626/study-shows-less-1-pro-athletes-infected-covid-19-developed-inflammatory-heart-disease Less than 1%. This is very good news. 5/789 Edited March 4, 2021 by BobbyPhil1781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Without a control group and when they have an obvious financial angle, yes. Does that include posts made by members of this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, TVScout said: Does that include posts made by members of this forum? Are any members of this forum documenting their experiences to build ammo for a lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Are any members of this forum documenting their experiences to build ammo for a lawsuit? Do you believe the person interviewed in that article is lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, TVScout said: Do you believe the person interviewed in that article is lying? Oh good so we're evading questions now. Well, just to be clear, there's an obvious difference between someone on a football forum going "got the vaccine, man it was rough" or "got the vaccine, it was no big deal" and someone seeking out a media interview to document their current damages, which is what he's doing. If there's legitimate medical malpractice, I hope he gets paid. But there's no reason to bring it up until there's a real settlement, or it resulted in a vaccine being placed on hold. Until then, the most favorable impression of that article is that it's irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Oh good so we're evading questions now. Well, just to be clear, there's an obvious difference between someone on a football forum going "got the vaccine, man it was rough" or "got the vaccine, it was no big deal" and someone seeking out a media interview to document their current damages, which is what he's doing. If there's legitimate medical malpractice, I hope he gets paid. But there's no reason to bring it up until there's a real settlement, or it resulted in a vaccine being placed on hold. Until then, the most favorable impression of that article is that it's irrelevant. Your standards are too strict. You also don't understand how lawsuits work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zukhyubern Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 14 hours ago, vikesfan89 said: The CBO predicts this hike to cost 1.4 million jobs. Businesses have been struggling with being shut down or lower capacity already Yeah, and you know who is going to be getting rid of most of those jobs? Huge chains like Walmart, Home Depot, grocery stores, other retail, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, TVScout said: Your standards are too strict. You also don't understand how lawsuits work. They aren't "my standards". I didn't make them, they're like 400 years old. That's how science works. And in case you aren't clear on the difference, someone talking about their own experiences is fine. Because it's their own experiences. It's not meant to be something you can apply to a population. A journalist reporting on the potential dangers of 2 vaccines is not "one person's experience". All this article does is amplify the disinformation regarding the dangers of this vaccine, which real, controlled studies have shown us over and over again are virtually zero. The article mentions his health problems after vaccination and that he was dosed with the wrong vaccine, but doesn't go through any specifics, or his medical history, or anything like that. Now, I understand his concerns for privacy. But that's why the actual forum for this is a clinical trial, which respects patient privacy while still controlling for those factors. A healthy person may not have had any reaction. N>1 may not have had any reaction. We need a control group to know those things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 If anything that article demonstrates malpractice on the personnel and does not inform on the vaccine used. Any and all medications, vaccines, etc are dangerous when administered by reckless personnel. Also one person allegedly having a bad experience does not make a trend and is therefore not actionable in any way shape or form. There have been 276M vaccines given worldwide. This allegedly happened to 1 person out of 276 million. Those are better odds than dying when driving to work in the morning. Sorry but that article is a total non-starter in terms of impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: All this article does is amplify the disinformation regarding the dangers of this vaccine.......... NO! The article relates a man's reactions to being dosed with 2 different vaxes. It is valuable as a preliminary cautionary tale. 10 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: The article mentions his health problems after vaccination and that he was dosed with the wrong vaccine........ Again no! He was not dosed with the "wrong" vaccine. He was dosed with 2 different vaccines. 12 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Now, I understand his concerns for privacy. Privacy???? Above you claimed he spoke to the press to build ammo for a lawsuit. Again you don't understand how the courts work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: If anything that article demonstrates malpractice on the personnel and does not inform on the vaccine used. Any and all medications, vaccines, etc are dangerous when administered by reckless personnel. Also one person allegedly having a bad experience does not make a trend and is therefore not actionable in any way shape or form. There have been 276M vaccines given worldwide. This allegedly happened to 1 person out of 276 million. Those are better odds than dying when driving to work in the morning. Sorry but that article is a total non-starter in terms of impact. After reading that article are you more inclined or less inclined to be dosed with two different vaccines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, TVScout said: After reading that article are you more inclined or less inclined to be dosed with two different vaccines? CDC says. “The safety and efficacy of a mixed-product series have not been evaluated.” The CDC does allow the mixing of Pfizer and Moderna shots again, to my first point, any medication is dangerous in the wrong hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: The CDC does allow the mixing of Pfizer and Moderna shots Interchangeability of COVID-19 vaccine products Any currently authorized COVID-19 vaccine can be used when indicated; ACIP does not state a product preference. However, COVID-19 vaccines are not interchangeable." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/clinical-considerations.html Are you more likely or less likely to be dosed with two different vaccines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, TVScout said: Most coronavirus deaths occurred in countries where majority of adults are overweight. https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19-and-Obesity-The-2021-Atlas.pdf The US never stood a chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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