jimkelly02 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, G said: If they are studs we hope to trade for draft capital before they leave or just get 3rd round comps. Either way if they're good, it's a good problem to have. We could probably keep 4/6 by locking up 2-3 on an extension the offseason prior to their contract year and another 1-2 in FA but I’d guess 2 would get away. that said I think there’s extra value in trading back to the late first or at most trading 19 for 2 2nd. We’d also have 3 3rds hitting FA that year too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Once again, this has nothing to do with Carr, you’re just being sensitive and way way over thinking things. Also, I’m ok if Mayock gets a WR1 at 12, but you justifying it as “Why wouldn’t we get Carr a WR1, someone who really needs it” is not a good reason. WR1 is a luxury position, they are rare in the NFL. Drafting one because you think your QB is not good without one, is not a good reason to draft one. I’m not sensitive, I just think some people on here have an agenda and almost hope CARR fails so they can say I told you so. There is a tremendous need at WR, the biggest need on the team by far. And zero Carr haters want to get Lamb or Jeudy.... just seems fishy is all I’m saying. And they’re not saying they want Brown instead, which I could understand. and yes there is value in filling the biggest need we have and it’s only a secondary benefit that it would give us a chance to accurately judge Carr as our future QB. It’s quite a large cost to acquire a new QB, I’d want to know I can’t win with Carr once he has a supporting cast before moving on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvacRaider Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 hours ago, BayRaider said: Jesus christ, this has nothing to do with Carr in any, way, shape, or form. This is why the group of 4-5 of you guys get labeled a cult. Someone disagrees with you, it becomes about how the other poster hates Carr somehow ffs. Lol a CULT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, HvacRaider said: Lol a CULT! Careful the pro-Carr cult may pull you in nf brainwash you! do not drink the kool aid bro! ive has a group of me and 4-5 guys labeled a security risk group but not a cult lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steins Gate Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 All I was saying was that I wouldn't mind the extra draft capital from a trade down. The most likely scenario is stick with #12 and pick BPA at position of need. Which in this case is a WR. I really like Lamb, so I want him at #12. And guess what??? He just happens to be the best fit for our QB. Since we don't know what Mayock is going to do, it becomes possible that Mayock could trade down even from #12.... And I would be ok with that. Especially for the extra draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Steins Gate said: All I was saying was that I wouldn't mind the extra draft capital from a trade down. The most likely scenario is stick with #12 and pick BPA at position of need. Which in this case is a WR. I really like Lamb, so I want him at #12. And guess what??? He just happens to be the best fit for our QB. Since we don't know what Mayock is going to do, it becomes possible that Mayock could trade down even from #12.... And I would be ok with that. Especially for the extra draft picks. If we trade down from 12 where do you the target team/pick to be? What would we be looking at for trading down? And who do we target there? i Think it’d have to be a very nice package to get us to give up on Lamb/Jeudy.... unless we only move down a few picks and can get the 2nd WR off the Board or Ruggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steins Gate Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: If we trade down from 12 where do you the target team/pick to be? What would we be looking at for trading down? And who do we target there? i Think it’d have to be a very nice package to get us to give up on Lamb/Jeudy.... unless we only move down a few picks and can get the 2nd WR off the Board or Ruggs. I like the bolded option, but I doubt it will happen. It would have to be a team that fell in love with one of the top 2. Not sure who that is. Maybe Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 6 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: I just find it odd every Carr hater is anti WR@12. If it was one or two guys who just really like Derrick Brown a lot I wouldn’t have noticed this trend. but what are the odds that every Carr hater, after we get so many defensive FAs, is totally against a WR @ 12. if Carr sucks that much wouldn’t it make sense to get him help with a good WR? maybe I’m glossing over mocks that people right or confusing people in my own head.... I’m just saying Your reaching. Wr is literally the deepest position in the draft. If an elite prospect drops to at 12 or we get a nice trade down from 12 you got to look at it. Honestly if lamb is gone. I wouldnt mind a trade down at all if price is right. Especially if you feel ruggs may still be available at 19 or your trade down spot. Jeudy doesnt move the needle for me the way Lamb do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HvacRaider Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 21 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Careful the pro-Carr cult may pull you in nf brainwash you! do not drink the kool aid bro! ive has a group of me and 4-5 guys labeled a security risk group but not a cult lol Not pro or con on #4. I just want a QB to help us win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, HvacRaider said: Not pro or con on #4. I just want a QB to help us win That’s all I want to do, whoever the QB ends up being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 22 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Careful the pro-Carr cult may pull you in nf brainwash you! do not drink the kool aid bro! ive has a group of me and 4-5 guys labeled a security risk group but not a cult lol One of us...ONE of Us...ONE OF US!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&B Bleeder Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 We scored a lot in FA. I don't know what our needs are at this point but I know we want a first class wide receiver. They say the draft is flush with WR's. Will we get one of the two who are hot commodities; Juedy or CeeDee Lamb. They could be taken before we get our shot. If that's the case we should trade one of those 1st round picks. I know Mayock knows good prospects further down the ladder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Top CB's ranking on Fanspeak... 5 CB JEFFREY OKUDAH - OHIO STATE 17 CB CJ HENDERSON - FLORIDA 23 CB TREVON DIGGS - ALABAMA 31 CB JEFF GLADNEY - TCU 37 CB DAMON ARNETTE - OHIO STATE 39 CB KRISTIAN FULTON - LSU 46 CB A.J. TERRELL - CLEMSON 67 CB BRYCE HALL - VIRGINIA 72 CB CAMERON DANTZLER - MISSISSIPPI STATE 77 CB MICHAEL OJEMUDIA - IOWA 82 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE - AUBURN 89 CB JAYLON JOHNSON - UTAH 103 CB LAMAR JACKSON - NEBRASKA 106 CB DARNAY HOLMES - UCLA 122 CB AMIK ROBERTSON - LOUISIANA TECH 123 CB DANE JACKSON - PITTSBURGH 128 CB KINDLE VILDOR - GEORGIA SOUTHERN 132 CB TROY PRIDE JR. - NOTRE DAME I really like late 1st early 2nd for Terrell, Gladney and Johnson a little later in 2nd. Double dip late 3rd if Amik, Noah, Pride or Dantzler are there. Come on INDY give up 34/44 otherwise I'll keep OCDing and hunt you down... =) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) Did this draft on Fanspeak and almost took Tua at 12. At 19 it was a no brainer and I'd think Indy would easily give us 32/44/75 for Tua. Here's what I did and replacing Tua at 34 was DE Epensa at 44 S Delpit and 75 C/G Biadasz...Here was how it fell otherwise.. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS YOUR PICKS 1: R1P12 WR HENRY RUGGS III ALABAMA 2: R1P19 QB TUA TAGOVAILOA ALABAMA 3: R3P16 LB MALIK HARRISON OHIO STATE 4: R3P17 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE AUBURN 5: R3P27 DL ROSS BLACKLOCK TCU 6: R4P15 LB TROY DYE OREGON 7: R5P13 G SOLOMON KINDL OCD is a hell of a drug. LOL Edited March 25, 2020 by G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, G said: Did this draft on Fanspeak and almost took Tua at 12. At 19 it was a no brainer and I'd think Indy would easily give us 32/44/75 for Tua. Here's what I did and replacing Tua at 34 was DE Epensa at 44 S Delpit and 75 C/G Biadasz...Here was how it fell otherwise.. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS YOUR PICKS 1: R1P12 WR HENRY RUGGS III ALABAMA 2: R1P19 QB TUA TAGOVAILOA ALABAMA 3: R3P16 LB MALIK HARRISON OHIO STATE 4: R3P17 CB NOAH IGBINOGHENE AUBURN 5: R3P27 DL ROSS BLACKLOCK TCU 6: R4P15 LB TROY DYE OREGON 7: R5P13 G SOLOMON KINDL OCD is a hell of a drug. LOL You got some steals in that draft! i like idea of drafting a Guard like Kindley, or Simpson, Lemieux, Hunt, Stenberg, Jonah Jackson) in rounds 3-5. Even if Jackson stays this year, which is up in the air at the moment, we need to bring in depth (not sure Kush is the answer- at best he’s depth Incase we don’t get to draft one this year). But it’d be a good time to draft a future starter to replace Jackson and/or Incognito next year. i like Harrison as a SAM or even MIKE for us. Dye will be a good WILL: has coverage skills. But I don’t think he’s that high tackle count chase WILL. I see him as an above average starter but will always lack some important aspects of the position. Overall, I like both of them though as mid round Picks. blacklock will probably go before 45. That’s a great value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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