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4 minutes ago, scar988 said:

Julio Jones is the best WR in the NFL from the last 5 years. 

Michael Thomas is a glorified WR2 possession guy with a massive target share.

HA.

hey scar, you got a little homer on your shirt.

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13 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said:

HA.

hey scar, you got a little homer on your shirt.

Michael Thomas's ADOT is 9.7

Jarvis Landry's ADOT is 11.5

Julio Jones' ADOT is 14.2

And Landry is a true possession receiver. Michael Thomas is a slant-route king. A stick route wonder. But he's not someone who blows the top off of a defense. He's not someone who really does anything different than Plaxico Burress did. But I can at least remember times Burress went deep.

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15 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said:

HA.

hey scar, you got a little homer on your shirt.

Also, it's not too crazy to think the guy with:

The most yards since the start of the 2014 season by over 1500 to the #2.

The most catches since the start of the 2014 season by 43 to the #2

and the 6th most TDs in the NFL that same span is the best WR in the league. 

He also is 7th in yards per catch over that same time period. 

And he's 1st in yards per game by 15 yards over Michael Thomas while averaging 3.7 yards more per catrch.

 

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Posted (edited)

You named all your WR1s but didn't actually define it. What is a WR1, in your opinion?

Edited by childofpudding

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35 minutes ago, scar988 said:

Also, it's not too crazy to think the guy with:

The most yards since the start of the 2014 season by over 1500 to the #2.

The most catches since the start of the 2014 season by 43 to the #2

and the 6th most TDs in the NFL that same span is the best WR in the league. 

He also is 7th in yards per catch over that same time period. 

And he's 1st in yards per game by 15 yards over Michael Thomas while averaging 3.7 yards more per catrch.

 

Hardly seems fair to use 2014 as your arbitrary cutoff when Michael Thomas didnt even hit the league until 2016. I understand why you did it though, had to squeeze in Julios best season.

Michael Thomas:
Yards - 5,512
Receptions - 470
TDs - 32
YPR - 11.7
YPG - 87.5

Julio Jones:
Yards - 5,564
Receptions - 383
TDs - 23
YPR - 14.5
YPG - 91.2

Julio is amazing but writing off Michael Thomas as a "#2 possession WR" is laughable. 

 

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33 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said:

Hardly seems fair to use 2014 as your arbitrary cutoff when Michael Thomas didnt even hit the league until 2016. I understand why you did it though, had to squeeze in Julios best season.

Michael Thomas:
Yards - 5,512
Receptions - 470
TDs - 32
YPR - 11.7
YPG - 87.5

Julio Jones:
Yards - 5,564
Receptions - 383
TDs - 23
YPR - 14.5
YPG - 91.2

Julio is amazing but writing off Michael Thomas as a "#2 possession WR" is laughable. 

 

Yards per reception matters. 

TDs are more of a function of the offense than anything else. 

Glorified possession receivers only average 11 yards per catch. Best WR in the league averages over 14. 

Michael Thomas has had 74 20+ yard catches in his career.

Julio Jones has had 95 the last 4 years alone.

Michael Thomas has 7 40+ yard catches in his career.

Julio Jones has had 14 40+ yard catches the last 4 years alone.

 

Michael Thomas is a short-intermediate receiver who doesn't stretch defenses. He's a possession receiver. 

Julio Jones is the best receiver in the NFL. 

 

The closest receiver to Julio recently was Antonio Brown. 91 20+yard catches and 24 40+ yard catches his last 4 years (not including 2019, but 2015-2018). He's closer to the all-around receiver Julio is. Julio is like a mix of Michael Thomas' pure possession receiver and Antonio Brown's deep threat. AKA, that's why he's the best WR in the NFL.

 

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37 minutes ago, renndawg37 said:

I'm willing to bet AJ Brown will be considered a #1 vey, very soon. 

I'm not willing to take that bet. Brown is a monster.

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Any man that brings Ocho Cinco to tears is a true #1.

Utter disrespect for Davante in this thread.

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lol you have Juju as True WR1 but Adams,Thielen,Diggs as Upper Tier WR2??

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On 3/22/2020 at 8:02 PM, BayRaider said:

I do think WR is the least important position behind SLB. 

No way...do you really think WR is less important than a RB? WR is probably one of the most important positions...this is a passing league now and having a playmaker at WR makes a ton of difference

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FWIW, Here's how I'd tier the top 3 WRs of every team based on projected 2020 play and not past production:

Superstars

Julio Jones

Deandre Hopkins

Tyreek Hill

True #1s

A.J. Brown

A.J. Green

Adam Thielen

Allen Robinson

Amari Cooper

Chris Godwin

DeVante Adams

JuJu Smith-Schuster

Michael Thomas

Odell Beckham Jr.

T.Y. Hilton

Fringe #1s/High-Caliber #2s

Calvin Ridley

Courtland Sutton

D.J. Chark

Deebo Samuel

De'Vante Parker

Emmanuel Sanders

Keenan Allen

Mike Evans

Robert Woods

Stefon Diggs

Terry McLaurin

Tyler Lockett

True #2s

Corey Davis

Julian Edelman

Jarvis Landry

Kenny Golladay

Kenny Stills

Marqise Lee

Michael Gallup

Sterling Shepard

Tyler Boyd

Will Fuller

Alshon Jeffery

D.J. Moore

Sammy Watkins

Brandin Cooks

Larry Fitzgerald

Marvin Jones

D.K. Metcalf

Cooper Kupp

Fringe #2s/High-Caliber #3s

Cole Beasley

Curtis Samuel

Dede Westbrook

Diontae Johnson

James Washington

Jamison Crowder

John Brown

John Ross

Marques Valdes-Scantling

Mecole Hardman

Marquise Brown

Miles Boykin

Mike Williams (LA)

Randall Cobb

Zach Pascal

True #3s

Adam Humphries

Albert Wilson

Christian Kirk

Zay Jones

Tyrell Williams

Hunter Renfrow

Darius Slayton

N'Keal Harry

DeSean Jackson

Golden Tate

Anthony Miller

Tre'Quan Smith

Fringe #3s/High-Caliber #4s

Allen Hurns

Jalen Hurd

Josh Doctson

Kelvin Harmon

Trey Quinn

Danny Amendola

Mohamed Sanu

Marquise Goodwin

Quincy Enunwa

Jake Kumerow

True #4s

Taywan Taylor

Olabisi Johnson

Tim Patrick

Diontae Spencer

Andre Patton

Cedrick Wilson

Greg Ward

Cordarrelle Patterson

Chad Beebe

Laquon Treadwell

Justin Watson

Pharoh Cooper

David Moore

Steve Ishmael

Willie Snead

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Need to revisit these standings after Brady has one season throwing to the Tampa guys. 

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4 minutes ago, FinSting said:

Need to revisit these standings after Brady has one season throwing to the Tampa guys. 

I have Godwin as a true #1 and Evans as a fringe #1 projecting with BRady...

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Nice effort with the list.

 

I’d put Jarvis as a upper tier 2. However, I get it. He’s a slot WR.

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