AZBearsFan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Osemele would be good competition and give the Bears another option at RG. At this point we need to bring a bunch of lineman to camp and play the best 5. I’m preparing myself as though they think they have a preliminary starting 5 now with Ifedi in the fold as the presumed starting RG heading toward camp, and will be drafting the guys to legitimately compete with them. I’ll be surprised if that’s not where the next OL adds are coming. Any FA we add now is just competition anyway and not a clear cut upgrade. It makes the most sense for anyone beating out an incumbent to be a potential long term guy and not someone who’s just a placeholder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: I’m preparing myself as though they think they have a preliminary starting 5 now with Ifedi in the fold as the presumed starting RG heading toward camp, and will be drafting the guys to legitimately compete with them. I’ll be surprised if that’s not where the next OL adds are coming. Any FA we add now is just competition anyway and not a clear cut upgrade. It makes the most sense for anyone beating out an incumbent to be a potential long term guy and not someone who’s just a placeholder. I think the way Pace operates is he always has an adequate preliminary starting group in place before the draft. That is how he attacks free agency. He tries to plug obvious holes with some type of veteran. Whether that is actually adequate or not is another story. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. But in his mind at this time of year it is. This way if draft doesn’t go as planned it isn’t a disaster that makes you leave your board to fill a need. It also allows him to gamble more in draft on upside prospects. Its not a bad strategy in theory even though sometimes the free agents don’t work and sometimes the draft picks don’t work. Look at Houston. They were targeting an OT in draft. Philly snaked them at OT and they had to reach on their next best prospect because the hole they had was so huge. Then when he wasn’t that good they had to trade too much for Tunsil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: I’m preparing myself as though they think they have a preliminary starting 5 now with Ifedi in the fold as the presumed starting RG heading toward camp, and will be drafting the guys to legitimately compete with them. I’ll be surprised if that’s not where the next OL adds are coming. Any FA we add now is just competition anyway and not a clear cut upgrade. It makes the most sense for anyone beating out an incumbent to be a potential long term guy and not someone who’s just a placeholder. They still need to sign guys. They have close to 30 open roster spots. Unless they are bringing in the largest UDFA class in history, more signings are coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, dll2000 said: I think the way Pace operates is he always has an adequate preliminary starting group in place before the draft. That is how he attacks free agency. He tries to plug obvious holes with some type of veteran. Whether that is actually adequate or not is another story. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. But in his mind at this time of year it is. This way if draft doesn’t go as planned it isn’t a disaster that makes you leave your board to fill a need. It also allows him to gamble more in draft on upside prospects. Its not a bad strategy in theory even though sometimes the free agents don’t work and sometimes the draft picks don’t work. Look at Houston. They were targeting an OT in draft. Philly snaked them at OT and they had to reach on their next best prospect because the hole they had was so huge. Then when he wasn’t that good they had to trade too much for Tunsil. Or the Bears TE position. Or the Bears WR position pre Robinsons OLB pre Mack trade QB the entire Pace tenure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Or the Bears TE position. Or the Bears WR position pre Robinsons OLB pre Mack trade QB the entire Pace tenure He has had a lot of misses and big misses. But his strategy is evident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Signing Osemele might make some sense but I have to wonder if $$$ isn't the issue. He got about $5 mil from the NYJ in 2019 and we don't have $5 mil to give at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, soulman said: Signing Osemele might make some sense but I have to wonder if $$$ isn't the issue. He got about $5 mil from the NYJ in 2019 and we don't have $5 mil to give at the moment. Coming off injury, being cut half way through the season, 3 weeks into free agency, I doubt he is looking for 5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: He has had a lot of misses and big misses. But his strategy is evident. You are correct. Those are the positions where he did the double dip and still missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Coming off injury, being cut half way through the season, 3 weeks into free agency, I doubt he is looking for 5 million. Despite that we really don't know what he's looking for. Probably not but then we'd have a hard time covering vet minimum right now. In the words of Commander Cody we are down to the stems and seeds again. Edited March 29, 2020 by soulman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 hours ago, WindyCity said: They still need to sign guys. They have close to 30 open roster spots. Unless they are bringing in the largest UDFA class in history, more signings are coming. Once Ifedi is added they’ll show 10 OL on the roster on the team website. Assume 2 draft picks on the OL somewhere and now you’re at 12. At least 7 of those (Leno, Daniels, Whitehair, Ifedi, Massie and the 2 draft picks) are virtually assured roster spots plus Coward having a great shot (dirt cheap with multi position experience including some starting experience). We can only roster 9 or 10 guys come September - how many more bodies can you realistically expect? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: Once Ifedi is added they’ll show 10 OL on the roster on the team website. Assume 2 draft picks on the OL somewhere and now you’re at 12. At least 7 of those (Leno, Daniels, Whitehair, Ifedi, Massie and the 2 draft picks) are virtually assured roster spots plus Coward having a great shot (dirt cheap with multi position experience including some starting experience). We can only roster 9 or 10 guys come September - how many more bodies can you realistically expect? I expect them to bring in at least 1 more veteran offensive lineman. Maybe 2. They will roll with 14-15 into camp so they have bodies to run the reps they need. Generally you have 3 full group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, WindyCity said: I expect them to bring in at least 1 more veteran offensive lineman. Maybe 2. They will roll with 14-15 into camp so they have bodies to run the reps they need. Generally you have 3 full group. Veteran? Maybe. Veteran of consequence? I doubt it. I’m guessing all additions not coming from the draft at this point are going to be camp bodies UNLESS we are wrong about the Ifedi add and he’s our swing/push OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said: Veteran? Maybe. Veteran of consequence? I doubt it. I’m guessing all additions not coming from the draft at this point are going to be camp bodies UNLESS we are wrong about the Ifedi add and he’s our swing/push OT. They would be competition. We are well past players of consequence. Sign Osemele to see if he is healthy and can still play. Sign Jared Veldheers Draft a couple guys m Bring them all to camp and see what shakes out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, WindyCity said: They would be competition. We are well past players of consequence. Sign Osemele to see if he is healthy and can still play. Sign Jared Veldheers Draft a couple guys m Bring them all to camp and see what shakes out. I mean, I guess it makes sense for the Bears to bring in guys like that on minimal deals (even though both guys basically didn’t play at all in 2019 and may not be any good anymore), but does it make sense for Veldheer or Osemele? Both guys have made more than $40M in the NFL - is it worth it to them to go through another season for something pretty close to or at the league minimum in what is at least reasonably likely to be a reserve role (especially for Veldheer)? IMO, we have enough year-to-year guys on the roster already. We need guys to push going forward but as longer term options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, WindyCity said: They would be competition. We are well past players of consequence. Sign Osemele to see if he is healthy and can still play. Sign Jared Veldheers Draft a couple guys m Bring them all to camp and see what shakes out. I guess posting about our current cap situation didn't make much of an impact did it? From the looks of it until we clear some cap space we couldn't sign a capable veteran beer vendor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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