Broncofan Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Re: Rosen, the dream scenario is Darnold declares, and Rosen falls hard because ppl worry about his off-the-field issues. But I suspect he won't fall that hard. I'd love to be wrong, but we likely have to move up - and if Darnold decides to stay in school, then we're probably screwed (the G-men are going to target franchise level QB with a top 3 pick, and probably even pay up with a Day 2 pick to lock it up if they fear someone will leapfrog them). Our scenario of moving up likely only works if 3 conditions are met: 1. CLE signs their QBOTF via FA/trade (Cousins being the most likely, they can pay him the big $ and have picks galore for a sign and trade with WAS - WAS can still apply the transition tag and apply leverage to get something back). They've got way too much draft capital to get outbid, along with the fact they now need to win TWO games to lose 1.1 (their SoS wins a tiebreaker even if they tie with SF or NYG for 1st pick overall, so they have to 2-14 and have SF & NYG not win any more games). Pray for Cousins & CLE to make it work (I'd guess CLE sends their 2nd 1st rounder to WAS, then signs Cousins, as something they'd seriously consider, given their team is increasingly more 1-2 guys away - likely closer than we are by 2018, sad to say - with 100M+ in cap space and all those picks, they can complete the rebuild with FA/draft and just take off no later than 2019 with a rookie QB - but a guy like Cousins could instantly make their O work, their D is already an average unit with the youngest age for a D unit - so only figures to get better). 2. Both Darnold and Rosen declare - since the G-men will have an ideal pick to either take 1, or trade up to 1.1 if there is only 1 guy, and freeze everyone else out. If Darnold and Rosen are there, then at least 2 guys seen as worthy of a top 3 pick are there. 3. BUF and ARI have to finish behind us. BUF has 2 first rounders so they could still trump us, but if they finish ahead of us, they'll be able to outbid us easily. ARI doesn't have extra 1sts like BUF, but again, if they are in a better spot in Rd 1 than us, they can just match our other picks and trump us. Again, we really should be rooting for a lose-out season if we want a true elite-ceiling QB. If not, Mayfield Rd 2 (or piecemeal placeholder cheap FA QB is likely in cards, and a more developmental guy in Day 2-3, which hasn't really worked for us, so even punting QB long-term to 2019 draft is in play if we can't get Darnold/Rosen Rd 1 <with a move up likely required>, or Mayfield Day 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 16 hours ago, BroncoBruin said: The more I see Baker Mayfield, the more I love his game. Yeah buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Unless Mayfield lights the Combine and puts up some Wilson like measurable (hand size, velo, etc.) - he's probably going to fall to Day 2. Big 12 and his lack of physical attributes will no doubt knock him down. What separated Wilson besides his college tape (sustained success on a Big 10 facing the big boys is always a green flag), was he still possessed a rocket arm and huge hands (so less risk of being strip sacked, etc.), along with his mobility and polished passing skills - it's generally recognized if he had been 6'4, 220, like the prototype QB, he'd have been a top 5 pick. To this day, scouts are still huge on those traits - scrambling, smaller guys get profiled into the Manziel bust profile, whether or not it's rightly deserved. For every Russ Wilson, there are far more washouts with that size profile - so I suspect the CW will push him down, unless he shows the same measurable as Wilson did that broke the mold. If Mayfield doesn't light the world on fire, then taking him Day 2 (even Rd 2) makes a ton of sense if we can't get to Darnold / Rosen. What I don't want to see is Elway falling in love with 1 guy and reaching for him way ahead of where the board puts him - that hasn't worked for Elway at all (the ones where's he's reached because a guy is falling due to off-the-field concerns, those have been hits - Ray & Roby). Really, we probably aren't going to have 1 set plan, as we aren't going to be high enough to get one of the big 2 QB's on our own - but at least the possibility of moving up is there if we just keep losing. Getting a top 6-8 pick at least opens the possibility of moving up (realizing teams have us outgunned in overall draft capital, but our starting pick might be better than those teams - specifically, thinking BUF & ARI). We really want Darnold to declare to give us options - NYG is for sure going QB IMO, and they are locked in to a top 3 pick. CLE could spend their cap $ for a Cousins (in a sign and trade, WAS can put a transition tag, and then negotiate a trade, that seems most likely) type, and we know SF is likely not going QB. I actually think one of those 2 teams (CLE/SF) is targeting RB Saquon Barkley - truly generational, HoF ceiling talent. But if we can't land Rosen, I do NOT want Allen in Rd 1 at all - way too much bust potential, raw and unmolded, like Lynch. Would rather we piecemeal a FA QB and go Day 2 with someone else (Mayfield ideal IMO there), or just punt it back another year. Allen's not even a 50 percent passer in college - that's a HUGE red flag. Potential elite QB athlete but with raw actual QB-specific skills (reading, accuracy, pocket awareness) - no thanks. Not again..especially at where he's being mocked. The silver lining to our sudden nosedive into oblivion is that we do have a lot more options that it looked at start of season, where a top 6-8 pick was a pipe dream. Frankly, for our long-term health, we should be rooting for L's rest of way, no matter how hard it is to watch on Gameday. How has Shane Ray been a hit? I'm just not impressed with him he's showed flashes but they're few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 For all the talk about Big 12 quarterbacks and Oklahoma qbs I don't get the Mayfield hate. I mean Sam Bradfordif not for injury would be a top 10 qb in the NFL. I really could see Denver landing Mayfield. It makes too much sense. The school he first went to Texas Tech went with Mahomes and the connection is there. I could Baker and Mahomes dualing it out for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 @broncos67 @BroncosFan2010 @thebestever6 I was more referring to the narrative around Russ before he was really established as an elite player. Hell, I still hear that he isn't that great. People look at the running and equate it to lacking as a pocket passer. Anyways......I agree that an explosive runner profile isn't as enticing as a 'scrambler' from a risk standpoint.I love what I've seen out of Jackson passing wise, but we'll see. I gotta watch these Qbs more before I'm set into any opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 So my cousin, a Miami fan floated this idea to me: If Denver's window with this D isn't closed and the top QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Cousins) are gone too early in the draft or too expensive, what about Jay Cutler. He claims Jay still wants to play. His scheme was for Denver to find a way to get Barkley in the draft, sign/draft/trade for a OT and go heavy in the trenches via draft and FA and see if Cutler on a 1 year deal can get Denver to compete as the clock on Brady is winding down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, broncofan48 said: So my cousin, a Miami fan floated this idea to me: If Denver's window with this D isn't closed and the top QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Cousins) are gone too early in the draft or too expensive, what about Jay Cutler. He claims Jay still wants to play. His scheme was for Denver to find a way to get Barkley in the draft, sign/draft/trade for a OT and go heavy in the trenches via draft and FA and see if Cutler on a 1 year deal can get Denver to compete as the clock on Brady is winding down Trotting him out there next season would be more laughable than trotting Brock out there again tbh. I get a kick out of Jay, but he's just collecting those checks. Miami bringing him in was a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, broncofan48 said: So my cousin, a Miami fan floated this idea to me: If Denver's window with this D isn't closed and the top QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Cousins) are gone too early in the draft or too expensive, what about Jay Cutler. He claims Jay still wants to play. His scheme was for Denver to find a way to get Barkley in the draft, sign/draft/trade for a OT and go heavy in the trenches via draft and FA and see if Cutler on a 1 year deal can get Denver to compete as the clock on Brady is winding down I think you're delaying the inevitable. My ideal choice is for Denver to nab their qb now why their pick is that high. Now if Baker Mayfield is their guy im cool with that but they need to get the qb now. That's why it's so important to get Paxton Lynch game action you have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bMiller031 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, broncofan48 said: So my cousin, a Miami fan floated this idea to me: If Denver's window with this D isn't closed and the top QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Cousins) are gone too early in the draft or too expensive, what about Jay Cutler. He claims Jay still wants to play. His scheme was for Denver to find a way to get Barkley in the draft, sign/draft/trade for a OT and go heavy in the trenches via draft and FA and see if Cutler on a 1 year deal can get Denver to compete as the clock on Brady is winding down no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bMiller031 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: I think you're delaying the inevitable. My ideal choice is for Denver to nab their qb now why their pick is that high. Now if Baker Mayfield is their guy im cool with that but they need to get the qb now. That's why it's so important to get Paxton Lynch game action you have to see. The fact that Paxton hasn't gotten in to this point is more telling than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 20 minutes ago, champ11 said: Trotting him out there next season would be more laughable than trotting Brock out there again tbh. I get a kick out of Jay, but he's just collecting those checks. Miami bringing him in was a joke For the record I like that offseason plan if we swap Jay out for Tyrod, but with the whole Brock coming full circle it was amusing to me to think of Jay back in Bronco colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I would rather nearly any QB, including Eli, rather than Cutler. If we miss out on the top QB's, and don't want to spend 25M per season on Cousins, I would get Tannenhill/Teddy/Tyrod/Eli all together and see who comes the cheapest. Use that other money to buy another OL talent and a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncos67 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I'd rather take a flier on Ryan Tannehill or Teddy Bridgewater than Cutler. At least there's upside. Those guys were playing really well before injury. More likely to catch lightning in a bottle there than with turnovers McGee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, bMiller031 said: The fact that Paxton hasn't gotten in to this point is more telling than anything. You think the injury is just an excuse I kinda do to. Man you know whats funny the organization has gotten less transparent since Elway arrived when that was a point of emphasise. I don't know if a Superbowl bought Elway that or he's just gotten worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bMiller031 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: You think the injury is just an excuse I kinda do to. Man you know whats funny the organization has gotten less transparent since Elway arrived when that was a point of emphasise. I don't know if a Superbowl bought Elway that or he's just gotten worse? The Super Bowl probably padded his ego- which only added more insulation to the Elway echo-chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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