2018 College Prospect Thread

[Broncofan]

25 minutes ago, BaldyBronco said:

Interesting little tidbit.  Baker Mayfield is not going to the Draft. 

Two possibilities. The Baker machine thinks he is above it. 

Or...My prediction all along, he is falling and the thought of sitting at that table is too much for him.

I do think he is falling personally and when I just saw that he made that announcement I wonder even more?

Also. Leighton VE just got an invite?  Last year the Broncos strangely had G Bowles and his famous infant there. could this be the trade back for the BPA at 12 and LVE at 21?  He and his family bus show up in place of the Bolles baby?  

Love me some random theories.

Baker Mayfield has been on record that he’s not attending the draft.  It’s been no secret. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/nfl-draft-2018-baker-mayfield-will-not-attend-ncaa-football-oklahoma-sooners/lrbttqsmxshi1m9cglrkze8tt

[AKRNA]

5 hours ago, The Helicopter said:

I want this kid. Just the next piece in the puzzle for our O-line. Next to Bolles, this would be amazing ferocity. 

I'm pretty sure we'll be disappointed. Too bad, we'll never get another shot like this at a kid that will be as dominant as I think he'll be.

Been watching OL since I first became a fan. When we'd go to Mile High to host the Raiders my dad used to get me pumped about watching Jim Otto. Best center in pro football. Then they added Upshaw, best OG in football. Art Shell was a year or two later. Then you could watch the best OL, especially center to LT, in football.

It was stunning to me how much those guys controlled a game. By the 4th quarter, 1 yard runs in the first quarter became 7+ yard gains. They just beat you to a pulp in the trenches. Not surprising how well they did regardless of the QB behind them.

My dream would be for McGovern to step up at center, Bolles to get a lot of coaching and strength training, the add Nelson to the mix.

That would be a really nasty left side that could be together for over a decade. Boy, would that be fun to watch!

[The Helicopter]

19 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

I'm pretty sure we'll be disappointed. Too bad, we'll never get another shot like this at a kid that will be as dominant as I think he'll be.

Been watching OL since I first became a fan. When we'd go to Mile High to host the Raiders my dad used to get me pumped about watching Jim Otto. Best center in pro football. Then they added Upshaw, best OG in football. Art Shell was a year or two later. Then you could watch the best OL, especially center to LT, in football.

It was stunning to me how much those guys controlled a game. By the 4th quarter, 1 yard runs in the first quarter became 7+ yard gains. They just beat you to a pulp in the trenches. Not surprising how well they did regardless of the QB behind them.

My dream would be for McGovern to step up at center, Bolles to get a lot of coaching and strength training, the add Nelson to the mix.

That would be a really nasty left side that could be together for over a decade. Boy, would that be fun to watch!

I’m wondering if Keenum is the direction because the philosophy is upgrading the line w/ Bolles the pick last year and Nelson the target this year...we’ll know soon enough.

[AKRNA]

8 minutes ago, The Helicopter said:

I’m wondering if Keenum is the direction because the philosophy is upgrading the line w/ Bolles the pick last year and Nelson the target this year...we’ll know soon enough.

That'd sure make me happy.

[thebestever6]

If we don't get nelson or a qb I'd be so mad if we stayed at 5. 

I just don't even see an astronomical difference between barkley and guice. If we went that route pick up some picks.

[Zukhyubern]

CHUBB! 

Having him and Von wreak havoc plus the depth we have with Ray and Barret. Oh boy..  

Starting OGs can be found down the board, no offense to Nelson. 

[AKRNA]

9 minutes ago, Zukhyubern said:

CHUBB! 

Having him and Von wreak havoc plus the depth we have with Ray and Barret. Oh boy..  

Starting OGs can be found down the board, no offense to Nelson. 

Not in his league. The difference between Nelson and the 2nd best OLineman is huge. Much larger than the gap between Chubb and the #2 DE.

[germ-x]

22 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

Not in his league. The difference between Nelson and the 2nd best OLineman is huge. Much larger than the gap between Chubb and the #2 DE.

Oh I don’t know about that.  Price and Hernandez are better than the next DEs on the board.  Connor Williams can be thrown in that OL group as well.  James Daniels while maybe not an OG is pretty damn good as well and Denver brought Daniels in for a private workout.

Davenport is the next best DL on the board and he’s incredibly raw, but has huge upside.  The rest of the top DEs are either pass rush specialists/3/4 OLBs or 4/3 LEs 3/4 DEs.

Chubb is probably the most complete DE in years.  6’4” 270, 34 inch arms, 4.65 40, who was elite vs the run in college, capable of playing DE some OLB in a 3/4, and kicking inside to tackle in passing situations, 22 sacks over the last 2 seasons, and is just as nasty as Nelson when it comes to attitude and plays with elite effort.

[AKRNA]

7 hours ago, germ-x said:

Oh I don’t know about that.  Price and Hernandez are better than the next DEs on the board.  Connor Williams can be thrown in that OL group as well.  James Daniels while maybe not an OG is pretty damn good as well and Denver brought Daniels in for a private workout.

Davenport is the next best DL on the board and he’s incredibly raw, but has huge upside.  The rest of the top DEs are either pass rush specialists/3/4 OLBs or 4/3 LEs 3/4 DEs.

Chubb is probably the most complete DE in years.  6’4” 270, 34 inch arms, 4.65 40, who was elite vs the run in college, capable of playing DE some OLB in a 3/4, and kicking inside to tackle in passing situations, 22 sacks over the last 2 seasons, and is just as nasty as Nelson when it comes to attitude and plays with elite effort.

C'mon @germ-x, that's just not true. I have no issues with Chubb and would love to have him on the roster. I love the way Price plays and Hernandez will be fine in this league.

Not one of them is in Nelson's league, not even close!

I've always hated OG's above about 310-315. Ot's a little bit more. Nelson is the first OG at 330 I've ever seen that can play the game, and play it at a devastating level. He can pitch and chuck Chubb with one hand. You say Chubbs the best in years. Really, I thought Bosa was pretty good.

Anyway, Scherff is the closest NFL comparison I can come up with and he's really not in the same league either. There has never been an OG in the NFL with Nelsons physical ability, size and talent, NEVER! Watch him play and tell me I'm wrong. He'll redefine the position and eat up the best DT's and DE's in the game. One on one versus Nelson, Chubb hasn't got a prayer.

Without a doubt he's the safest choice in the draft and will probably have a better career than any of them.

[thebestever6]

12 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

C'mon @germ-x, that's just not true. I have no issues with Chubb and would love to have him on the roster. I love the way Price plays and Hernandez will be fine in this league.

Not one of them is in Nelson's league, not even close!

I've always hated OG's above about 310-315. Ot's a little bit more. Nelson is the first OG at 330 I've ever seen that can play the game, and play it at a devastating level. He can pitch and chuck Chubb with one hand. You say Chubbs the best in years. Really, I thought Bosa was pretty good.

Anyway, Scherff is the closest NFL comparison I can come up with and he's really not in the same league either. There has never been an OG in the NFL with Nelsons physical ability, size and talent, NEVER! Watch him play and tell me I'm wrong. He'll redefine the position and eat up the best DT's and DE's in the game. One on one versus Nelson, Chubb hasn't got a prayer.

Without a doubt he's the safest choice in the draft and will probably have a better career than any of them.

I love nelson if there was to land him Lamar Jackson, Penny, Anthony Miller that would be sweet.

[germ-x]

1 hour ago, AKRNA said:

C'mon @germ-x, that's just not true. I have no issues with Chubb and would love to have him on the roster. I love the way Price plays and Hernandez will be fine in this league.

Not one of them is in Nelson's league, not even close!

I've always hated OG's above about 310-315. Ot's a little bit more. Nelson is the first OG at 330 I've ever seen that can play the game, and play it at a devastating level. He can pitch and chuck Chubb with one hand. You say Chubbs the best in years. Really, I thought Bosa was pretty good.

Anyway, Scherff is the closest NFL comparison I can come up with and he's really not in the same league either. There has never been an OG in the NFL with Nelsons physical ability, size and talent, NEVER! Watch him play and tell me I'm wrong. He'll redefine the position and eat up the best DT's and DE's in the game. One on one versus Nelson, Chubb hasn't got a prayer.

Without a doubt he's the safest choice in the draft and will probably have a better career than any of them.

It’s most definitely true.  I’m not saying Hernandez, Price, Williams, Daniels are as good as Nelson, but they all have Pro Bowl potential and could potentially be had in the 2nd round.

In relation to your original post, that the gap between Nelson and the next best OL is larger than Chubb and the next DE, I’d easily have to disagree especially considering this is a very deep OL class and a rather thin DE one.

Scherff is a great comparison, one I’ve thought of myself.  Damn near identical players.  I read an article saying no OG had been selected in the top 5 in the modern draft era, which isn’t true, Scherff was listed OT at Iowa, but was drafted with every intention of playing OG in the NFL.

[broncos67]

38 minutes ago, germ-x said:

It’s most definitely true.  I’m not saying Hernandez, Price, Williams, Daniels are as good as Nelson, but they all have Pro Bowl potential and could potentially be had in the 2nd round.

In relation to your original post, that the gap between Nelson and the next best OL is larger than Chubb and the next DE, I’d easily have to disagree especially considering this is a very deep OL class and a rather thin DE one.

Scherff is a great comparison, one I’ve thought of myself.  Damn near identical players.  I read an article saying no OG had been selected in the top 5 in the modern draft era, which isn’t true, Scherff was listed OT at Iowa, but was drafted with every intention of playing OG in the NFL.

I agree with you. Behind Chubb, this class is pretty poor as far as a traditional DE role goes. Who would be next? Davenport? Sushi raw. Sam Hubbard? Meh. Arden Key? Lots of questions. He and Harold Landry are possibly OLBs at the next level anyway. Duke Ejiofor? It's a pretty precipitous drop off.

I think the point you're making is valid. Nelson is the best prospect at guard, but there are also other above average to very good prospects at the position as well, and if we ARE chasing a guard in the draft, that should come into play when it comes to evaluating prospects.

[Broncofan]

12 minutes ago, broncos67 said:

I agree with you. Behind Chubb, this class is pretty poor as far as a traditional DE role goes. Who would be next? Davenport? Sushi raw. Sam Hubbard? Meh. Arden Key? Lots of questions. He and Harold Landry are possibly OLBs at the next level anyway. Duke Ejiofor? It's a pretty precipitous drop off.

I think the point you're making is valid. Nelson is the best prospect at guard, but there are also other above average to very good prospects at the position as well, and if we ARE chasing a guard in the draft, that should come into play when it comes to evaluating prospects.

If there was one flaw in Chubb's game that separates him from being in the surefire elite category, it's that his short-area explosion is not where the Bosa's/Donald's are (Donald being 20 lbs heavier being slightly better is huge).   It's more like Clowney-level - which also explains why Clowney isn't the prolific sack-artist those others.   He's a guy you need to pair with another to augment that's pair's output.  Clearly though Von needs a guy like that after watching the double-triple teams he faced in 2017.    Now his handwork is very good, so that will help negate some of the short-area concerns for sure.   It's why he's more of a hybrid DE/EDGE than a pure EDGE.  That's still useful though given versatility matters.   If Chubb had the same kind of short-area explosion, let's face it, he'd be the hands-down consensus 1st non-QB off the board, instead of the Nelson/Barkley/Chubb debate we and the rest of the NFL fanbases (and draft guys) are having.

It's fair to say though that Chubb is head and shoulders above this DE class.   Landry is the only EDGE in his stratosphere, but Landry's size and lack of strength make him a guy who will go mid-Rd1, but nowhere close to Chubb.   After that the dropoff for DE/EDGE is significant, and even then the choices we'd face at DE/EDGE at 2.8 or 3.7 would be massive dropoffs from the G alternatives we'd have.

I really have no problem if we go Chubb or Nelson at 1.5 if Rosen doesn't fall to us.  With Barkley, those 4 (and Darnold) are my top 5, a cut above the rest.   

 

[broncos67]

Yeah, Chubb isn't without flaws. I do think he's a better overall prospect than Myles Garrett. I liken his production more to Derek Barnett than Garrett, and I think Barnett was a more successful player last year. He doesn't have elite get-off quickness, but his hand technique, and especially his repertoire of pass rush moves are quite advanced for a prospect coming out. Certainly more than Garrett who basically used elite quickness/bend but not much else. Chubb to me is a guy who is invaluable on championship caliber teams though. I think he's got consistent 10-12 sack upside through his career (or better), and he'll consistently be a viable 3-down option.

[BaldyBronco]

I don’t understand why Q Nelson at 8 is such and amazing pick for Chicago at 8 and a reach for the Broncos at 5?

Frankly, the kid deserves 5 money and would be a wonderful player to add at a huge position of need and we have instant depth with Connor who can play OG and Center. Our ****ty line becomes a position of strength. I love Chubb too, but we can get a depth player in Round 2 and 3. 

I want to come out of the draft with, assuming we stay at 5 and don’t draft one of the 4, a QB, OG, ILB, WR, DT hybrid and a RB.

starting with Nelson at 5 would be fine by me.