germ-x Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 10 hours ago, BroncosFan2010 said: Josh Allen is another 'looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane' type prospect and I seriously hope Elway doesn't make it a hat trick of drafting QB's that fit that mold. No Josh Rosen? He has better footwork and mechanics than Darnold by a good margin. Not as mobile but one hell of a passer. He is neck-and-neck with Darnold to me, and gun to my head I lean Rosen. Guys with his type of compact release and feel for the game at his age rarely fail. Rosen is a hell of a prospect. The dude can sling it and is mechanically sound. Also comes from a more pro style offense with experience under center. Darnold is still my #1, though. He doesn’t have the arm talent of Rosen, but man he makes some accuracy, anticipation, throw the WR open type throws that are special. His instincts as a passer and ability to place the football are as good as I’ve seen since I really got into football and watching prospects. Not the most gifted overall talent I’ve seen (that was Luck) but he has qualities that great QBs typically have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, germ-x said: Rosen is a hell of a prospect. The dude can sling it and is mechanically sound. Also comes from a more pro style offense with experience under center. Darnold is still my #1, though. He doesn’t have the arm talent of Rosen, but man he makes some accuracy, anticipation, throw the WR open type throws that are special. His instincts as a passer and ability to place the football are as good as I’ve seen since I really got into football and watching prospects. Not the most gifted overall talent I’ve seen (that was Luck) but he has qualities that great QBs typically have. Heck 20 years old you can't beat that from a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germ-x Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: Heck 20 years old you can't beat that from a prospect. I could see a lot of teams having Rosen rated higher, though. Rosen has the better arm, mechanics, and comes from a pro style system. Also didn’t have a lot of talent around him and still produced. I think Rosen is the safer pick. I think the Eli comparison is solid, I see a lot of Matt Ryan in him as well. Either would obviously be fine with me. It’s almost 1A/1B between them for me. I give the edge to Darnold simply because I love his instincts as a passer, Football placement, and ability to anticipate. He’s also highly advanced for a college player using touch to complete throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germ-x Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Darnold’s ball security is definitely concerning. I am interested to see his hand size. Some of his fumbles shouldn’t happen. Maybe it’s just been a bit of bad luck, but he’s lost the football on some plays where it raises some questions. I haven’t looked lately, but in the past there has been some correlation between QB success and hand size. Smaller handed QBs back then typically didn’t have success in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, germ-x said: Darnold’s ball security is definitely concerning. I am interested to see his hand size. Some of his fumbles shouldn’t happen. Maybe it’s just been a bit of bad luck, but he’s lost the football on some plays where it raises some questions. I haven’t looked lately, but in the past there has been some correlation between QB success and hand size. Smaller handed QBs back then typically didn’t have success in the NFL. 9 and 1/2 inches is the supposed ideal minimum. Romo was 8 7/8. Wilson & Brees are at 10 1/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 10 hours ago, germ-x said: Darnold’s ball security is definitely concerning. I am interested to see his hand size. Some of his fumbles shouldn’t happen. Maybe it’s just been a bit of bad luck, but he’s lost the football on some plays where it raises some questions. I haven’t looked lately, but in the past there has been some correlation between QB success and hand size. Smaller handed QBs back then typically didn’t have success in the NFL. Yeah he definitely has to have smaller hands, some of the fumbles are him being careless but like you said some shouldn't happen. Still think he will be a very good QB but turnovers will always be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Quote Wilson & Brees are at 10 1/4. This is huge for Mayfield. It shows that historically a QB under 6'00 absolutely needs to have abnormal hands to succeed. As always, there are and will be outliers, but for the small sample size of successful sub-6 foot QB's, they have all had enormous hands for their size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 29 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said: This is huge for Mayfield. It shows that historically a QB under 6'00 absolutely needs to have abnormal hands to succeed. As always, there are and will be outliers, but for the small sample size of successful sub-6 foot QB's, they have all had enormous hands for their size. Baker is 6'2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, jsthomp2007 said: Baker is 6'2" As per OU numbers alone. Combine might show up differently. A&M listed Manziel at 6’1 ended up 5’11 at Combine, which are only numbers we can trust. Colleges routinely fudge the #’s. Either way hand size more important than height difference here for QB - fumbles that Darnold had could definitely be due to smaller hands. Will be interesting to see how they measure out at the Combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 If Blake measures in at 6'02 I will eat my own head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, BroncosFan2010 said: If Blake measures in at 6'02 I will eat my own head. I hope someone video tapes that. I'd like to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I've got a question for you guys that really watch the college QB's. Out of the top QB's, which one is most likely to head butt one of his OL guys after a good play? A McMahon type, QB with a LB mentality. Tough guy, fierce competitor. If you've got the time to rate 'em 1-10 or whatever I'd appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoinGermany Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, AKRNA said: I've got a question for you guys that really watch the college QB's. Out of the top QB's, which one is most likely to head butt one of his OL guys after a good play? A McMahon type, QB with a LB mentality. Tough guy, fierce competitor. If you've got the time to rate 'em 1-10 or whatever I'd appreciate it. I am not a college expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I have seen and read Mayfield fits your specifications to a T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, BroncoinGermany said: I am not a college expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I have seen and read Mayfield fits your specifications to a T. I should have added "can make all the throws". I just assume if they can't you won't rank them. Thats pretty much a bottom line issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, AKRNA said: I should have added "can make all the throws". I just assume if they can't you won't rank them. Thats pretty much a bottom line issue. Mayfield can make all the throws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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