EMAW_KSU Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: I’ve made my list of current top 5 players at each position. They are not in preference order, just alphabetized. This is also based on how I think they would fit with us and our scheme/needs as I see them. I am excluding any consensus top 20ish picks as I don’t see us trading up. This means no Chase Young, Jerry Jeudy, Isaiah Simmons, etc. I’m also excluding QB, P, K, and S because I personally do not believe that we should be drafting one this year with our limited picks. RB: Eno Benjamin, JK Dobbins, Anthony McFarland, Zack Moss, DeAndre Swift TE: Hunter Bryant, Josiah Deguara, Brycen Hopkins, Cole Kmet, Jared Pinkney WR: Bryan Edwards, Antonio Gandy-Golden, Isaiah Hodgins, Justin Jefferson, Tyler Johnson OT: Austin Jackson, Lucas Niang, Matt Peart, Prince Tega Wanogho, Isaiah Wilson OG/C: Tyler Biadasz, Jake Hanson, Solomon Kindley, Cesar Ruiz, Logan Stenberg DL: Bradley Anae, Ross Blacklock, Neville Gallimore, DaVon Hamilton, Justin Madubuike LB: Zack Baun, Jordyn Brooks, Malik Harrison, Kenneth Murray, Patrick Queen CB: Jeff Gladney, Jaylon Johnson, Amik Robertson, Josiah Scott, AJ Terrell Could certainly get behind him in the 3rd. Don't really agree with you on safety, especially with Thornhill coming off injury and how much we move Tyrann around. And certainly don't think you should eliminate safety, then include WR, where anyone drafted would likely be 4th on the depth chart at best. I understand drafting for the future, and that we'll likely lose Sammy and D-Rob next year, but especially with Jefferson it seems like a luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, EMAW_KSU said: Could certainly get behind him in the 3rd. Don't really agree with you on safety, especially with Thornhill coming off injury and how much we move Tyrann around. And certainly don't think you should eliminate safety, then include WR, where anyone drafted would likely be 4th on the depth chart at best. I understand drafting for the future, and that we'll likely lose Sammy and D-Rob next year, but especially with Jefferson it seems like a luxury. We still have Sorenson and Watts. I think we'll get a cheap vet or UDFA to fill out the #5 spot. I'm also much more optimistic about Thornhill's injury than some others. Next year we're due to lose Watkins, Robinson, Dieter, and Pringle. That leaves us with Hill and Hardman, whose contracts are both up the following year. WR notoriously take time to learn/play in Reid's scheme so drafting someone this year will give them a year to learn the system before being forced into more playing time. It's a body/salary cap consideration. Plus, this class is just loaded and my list of WR could be at least 10 deep. If we wait until next year we will be handicapping ourselves for 2021+. I'd also argue that #4 WR plays a heck of a lot more than #5 safety. I agree that Jefferson would be a luxury. I'm not saying we should take him at #32 either. But you never know how the board will fall or if we trade back into the early 2nd. Based on how I view our needs and a bit of BPA, I would rank Jefferson roughly 6th in line from my list for pick 32. Edited April 7, 2020 by kingseanjohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, samsel23 said: I like it! Any thoughts on a couple guys I’m higher on that you don’t have listed. RB: Clyde Edwards-Helaire IOL: Cameron Clark, OT: Charlie Heck TE: Dalton Keene DL: Trevis Gipson LB: Joe Bachie / Justin Strnad I'll get back to you. Probably not today though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 We're one week out from the draft. Anyone up for posting their top players for us at each position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 RB: Clyde Edwards-Helaire / Zach Moss / Cam Akers/ Antonio Gibson / Ke'Shawn Vaughn WR: Justin Jefferson / Brandon Aiyuk / Donovan Peoples-Jones / Quintez Cephus / Kirk Merritt TE: Harrison Bryant / Dalton Keene / Devin Asiasi / Sean McKeon / Albert Okwuegbunam OT: Ezra Cleveland / Josh Jones / Matt Peart / Charlie Heck / Alex Taylor OL: Ben Bartch/ Cesar Ruiz / Robert Hunt / Matt Hennessy / Cameron Clarke / Kyle Murphy / Simon Stepaniak DE: Yetur Gross-Matos / Darrell Taylor / Khalid Kareem / Trevis Gipson / Alex Highsmith DT: Ross Blacklock / Justin Madubuike / McTelvin Agim / Tyler Clark / James Lynch OLB: Patrick Queen / Justin Strnad / Davion Taylor / Kenneth Murray / Akeem Davis-Gaither ILB: Jordan Brooks / Logan Wilson / Joe Bachie CB: Jaylon Johnson / Damon Arnette / Noah Igbinoghene / Bryce Hall / Amik Robertson / Reggie Robinson II / Tino Ellis S: Grant Delpit / Xavier McKinney / Antoine Winfield Jr. / Terrell Burgess / Geno Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkrei Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Top players we available I think we could get not doing top half of the first. LB- Murray or Queen, Harrison, Gaither, Wilson, Brooks, weaver after that I don't care. Edge- Baun, Epenenza after that I don't care. G,- Cesar Ruiz, Hunt, Lewis, stenberg, (Adeniji (only because he can play OT) C- Cesar Ruiz, Cushenberry, Biadaz, Hennesy OT- Barth, Niang, Peart, Adeniji, Heck S- Delpit, Mckinney, Burgess, Wallace, Stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 5:54 PM, samsel23 said: I like it! Any thoughts on a couple guys I’m higher on that you don’t have listed. RB: Clyde Edwards-Helaire IOL: Cameron Clark, OT: Charlie Heck TE: Dalton Keene DL: Trevis Gipson LB: Joe Bachie / Justin Strnad I fully intended to go back and look at each player again, but I just don't have the time. So I"ll just include my initial thoughts on each one. CEH: I really like him. He's been compared quite a bit to Darren Sproles, who holds a dear place in my heart as I remember seeing him play in high school. That said, I think CEH will be a much better Sproles. However, I think that Veach drafted Darwin last year with that role in mind. So if we draft CEH we're essentially giving up on Darwin already. Personally, I'm not a believer in Darwin yet, so I wouldn't mind an upgrade. But it's too early to do that so I left CEH off my board unless he falls to the 4th or 5th. I do like him though. Clark: I will admit, I'm not the best talent evaluator at OL outside of the special guys. Some guys you can just see it. I think Clark would be a good developmental guy but I don't know if he's ever a full time starter. Heck: I like him more than Clark. But I see him as a potential RT or swing tackle. Playing with a broken hand and doing fairly well from what I saw is a plus. I wouldn't hate it if we took him in the 4th or 5th. I wouldn't be surprised if we do go for him since his dad is the OL coach. It'd be a good off-season story line and there would be no need to play him in the immediate future *knock on wood*. Keene: He'd probably be #6 on my list. But I don't see anything special. I think he'd be a better Blake Bell. Honestly, I'm leaning more towards not taking a TE this year. Gipson: Not a fan. As I said before, I really don't like the DE in the class outside of Young. Although... Bachie: He could be decent depth. I see him as a role player who does mostly special teams. I'm reminded of Jovan Belcher. Good at tackling but not really spectacular at anything. Strnad: This may be a bad comparison, but he sort of reminded me of a lesser Derrick Johnson. I like him but he'd need a year or two to develop. Definitely potential there. Someone new that I hadn't looked at before: Derrek Tuszka. I like him in my limited scouting. So now there's two prospects I like for us at DE. I don't think he's a day one starter but he's someone to develop who can be a role player now. My only knock is that he didn't play against any major competition, but then again, neither did Jared Allen. I'm not saying he'll follow that career path, but the tools appear to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 I have been the big proponent of Ross Blacklock. It now seems clear we will not have a chance at him. H has moved out of the 1st/2nd group into the upper second tier, which starts around #18. I would not be shocked to see him go to Denver at #15. He has that kind of upside. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkrei Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: I have been the big proponent of Ross Blacklock. It now seems clear we will not have a chance at him. H has moved out of the 1st/2nd group into the upper second tier, which starts around #18. I would not be shocked to see him go to Denver at #15. He has that kind of upside. J Murray and Queen might slide to us. Ruiz end of 1st round or top of 2nd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 Baun too. The second tier OT are moving up. We might have 7-8 OT ahead of us. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMAW_KSU Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I'm all about Jordan Brooks right now. Would certainly consider him my draft crush. Unfortunately I think he falls between our picks, barring us taking back a few. If we took him RD 1...I could live with it. If OTs flood up, I think it's CB and Edge that drop. We could have an interesting spot. Another guy, besides centers, that I've seen so over the place in rankings and mocks is Delpit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 34 minutes ago, EMAW_KSU said: I'm all about Jordan Brooks right now. Would certainly consider him my draft crush. Unfortunately I think he falls between our picks, barring us taking back a few. If we took him RD 1...I could live with it. If OTs flood up, I think it's CB and Edge that drop. We could have an interesting spot. Another guy, besides centers, that I've seen so over the place in rankings and mocks is Delpit. I love JB but not at #32 and it looks like he will not last to #63. If we trade back and get him in the late 30s or 40s, I am good with that. It's a bit shocking how much the safeties have moved in the last couple weeks. Delpit has dropped from the late 20s to the late 30s even the 40s. McKinney had dropped after the Combine, but is back up. Antoine Winfield is way up. An EDge guy worth consideration is Josh Uche. He may be available at #63. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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