Which *NEW* Head Coach will have the biggest impact on their new team?

[EvilenFroggen]

22 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said:

I kinda like all of them as hires. I think Rivera will have the biggest impact. I firmly expect Washington to be a playoff team in two years. 

He’s gonna do so much good for them. I’m happy for them both. 

[naptownskinsfan]

34 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said:

I kinda like all of them as hires. I think Rivera will have the biggest impact. I firmly expect Washington to be a playoff team in two years. 

If Snyder stays out of it, yes.  However, I think he went the coach-centered approach because he wants to be involved again.  And if that's the case, fine, but own it like Jerry Jones does.  

[HTTRDynasty]

4 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You scored the 32nd most points last year and allowed the 27th most. 

Your team and roster is dreadful.  

Terrible way to judge a roster. Ignores last year’s extremely poor coaching, toxic environment, having the highest amount of salary cap sitting on injured reserve league-wide BY FAR, and the amount of young players on the roster who still have plenty of time to further develop. 
 

I’m not saying this is a good roster. But it’s not “dreadful” either. It’s young (8 rookies started last year) and it showed a lot of improvement as the year progressed, especially at the most important position on the field.  

[AlexGreen#20]

24 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

Terrible way to judge a roster. Ignores last year’s extremely poor coaching, toxic environment, having the highest amount of salary cap sitting on injured reserve league-wide BY FAR, and the amount of young players on the roster who still have plenty of time to further develop. 
 

I’m not saying this is a good roster. But it’s not “dreadful” either. It’s young (8 rookies started last year) and it showed a lot of improvement as the year progressed, especially at the most important position on the field.  

Haskins: Dreadful

Peterson/Guice: Not Dreadful

McLaurin: Not Dreadful

Harmon: Dreadful

Quinn: Dreadful

Sprinkle: Dreadful

Lucas: Not Dreadful

Schweitzer: Dreadful

Roullier: Not Dreadful

Scherff: Not Dreadful

Moses: Not Dreadful

You have 5/11 dreadful starters on offense, and I feel like I'm being very generous with the OL.

You had arguably the worst secondary in the league last year, especially at CB.

Just getting a competent defensive staff will likely drag the defense out of the basement and more in line with it's talent level, but that offense is trash man 

[ninjapirate]

8 hours ago, aceinthehouse said:

Interestingly, 3 of the 5 are all in the NFC East.

What will also be interesting, is how Doug Pederson/Eagles handles this change inside the Division.

Will he continue to be the lead dog coach in this Division? (Which he has been)

Or will there be a more competitive balance shift towards any or all of the other 3 teams?

 

two retreads and a what the heck hire yeah i'm sure doug isnt losing sleep.

[HTTRDynasty]

13 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Haskins: Dreadful

This is false.

I don't have the energy right now to go in depth explaining how wrong you are on every point, so this will have to suffice for Haskins.

 

17 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Harmon: Dreadful

Harmon isn't great, but he is far from dreadful.  He's definitely better or on par with any WR2 the Packers currently have.  But he can also definitely be upgraded in this draft.

 

25 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Quinn: Dreadful

Your ignorance is really showing.  Quinn isn't even our starting slot WR.  Steven Sims is.  UDFA from last year.

During the last 5 games, he was the second most productive rookie WR in the NFL.  Behind AJ Brown.  That's it.

Rk	Player	Pos	Age	Year	Lg	Tm	G	W	L	T	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
1	A.J. Brown	WR	22	2019	NFL	OTI	5	3	2	0	34	21	470	22.38	4	61.8%	13.82
2	Steven Sims	WR	22	2019	NFL	WAS	5	1	4	0	40	23	259	11.26	4	57.5%	6.48
3	Darius Slayton	WR	22	2019	NFL	NYG	5	2	3	0	31	17	279	16.41	3	54.8%	9.00
4	Diontae Johnson	WR	23	2019	NFL	PIT	5	2	3	0	36	24	271	11.29	2	66.7%	7.53
5	Terry McLaurin	WR	24	2019	NFL	WAS	4	1	3	0	25	18	281	15.61	2	72.0%	11.24
6	D.K. Metcalf	WR	21	2019	NFL	SEA	5	2	3	0	30	20	270	13.50	2	66.7%	9.00

If you want to extend this to all WR's, including veterans then it looks like this over the last 4 games (with a 200 receiving yard minimum, or 50 a game).

											Receiving
Rk	Player	Pos	Age	Year	Lg	Tm	G	W	L	T	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
1	Breshad Perriman	WR	26	2019	NFL	TAM	4	2	2	0	31	20	419	20.95	5	64.5%	13.52
2	A.J. Brown	WR	22	2019	NFL	OTI	4	2	2	0	30	18	425	23.61	4	60.0%	14.17
3	Cooper Kupp	WR	26	2019	NFL	RAM	4	2	2	0	24	21	216	10.29	4	87.5%	9.00
4	Steven Sims	WR	22	2019	NFL	WAS	4	0	4	0	36	20	230	11.50	4	55.6%	6.39
5	Jamison Crowder	WR	26	2019	NFL	NYJ	4	3	1	0	36	21	245	11.67	3	58.3%	6.81
6	Michael Gallup	WR	23	2019	NFL	DAL	4	2	2	0	31	17	311	18.29	3	54.8%	10.03
7	DeVante Parker	WR	26	2019	NFL	MIA	4	2	2	0	35	19	348	18.32	3	54.3%	9.94
8	Darius Slayton	WR	22	2019	NFL	NYG	4	2	2	0	22	11	235	21.36	3	50.0%	10.68
9	Michael Thomas	WR	26	2019	NFL	NOR	4	3	1	0	53	39	435	11.15	3	73.6%	8.21
10	Davante Adams	WR	26	2019	NFL	GNB	4	4	0	0	48	31	353	11.39	2	64.6%	7.35

 

Since you've clearly never seen him play, here are a few highlights:

 

 

35 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Sprinkle: Dreadful

No arguments here.  We'll be replacing him in this draft most likely.

 

35 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Schweitzer: Dreadful

Yeah, he probably is.  Though he might not be the starter depending on how Wes Martin develops.

 

38 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

You had arguably the worst secondary in the league last year, especially at CB.

I definitely wouldn't call it the worst, but it was pretty bad.

 

40 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Just getting a competent defensive staff will likely drag the defense out of the basement and more in line with it's talent level, but that offense is trash man 

The offense is young, talented, but inexperienced.  But it's definitely not "trash" other than at TE and possibly LG.

[AlexGreen#20]

1 minute ago, HTTRDynasty said:

This is false.

I don't have the energy right now to go in depth explaining how wrong you are on every point, so this will have to suffice for Haskins.

 

Harmon isn't great, but he is far from dreadful.  He's definitely better or on par with any WR2 the Packers currently have.  But he can also definitely be upgraded in this draft.

 

Your ignorance is really showing.  Quinn isn't even our starting slot WR.  Steven Sims is.  UDFA from last year.

During the last 5 games, he was the second most productive rookie WR in the NFL.  Behind AJ Brown.  That's it.

Rk	Player	Pos	Age	Year	Lg	Tm	G	W	L	T	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
1	A.J. Brown	WR	22	2019	NFL	OTI	5	3	2	0	34	21	470	22.38	4	61.8%	13.82
2	Steven Sims	WR	22	2019	NFL	WAS	5	1	4	0	40	23	259	11.26	4	57.5%	6.48
3	Darius Slayton	WR	22	2019	NFL	NYG	5	2	3	0	31	17	279	16.41	3	54.8%	9.00
4	Diontae Johnson	WR	23	2019	NFL	PIT	5	2	3	0	36	24	271	11.29	2	66.7%	7.53
5	Terry McLaurin	WR	24	2019	NFL	WAS	4	1	3	0	25	18	281	15.61	2	72.0%	11.24
6	D.K. Metcalf	WR	21	2019	NFL	SEA	5	2	3	0	30	20	270	13.50	2	66.7%	9.00

If you want to extend this to all WR's, including veterans then it looks like this over the last 4 games (with a 200 receiving yard minimum, or 50 a game).

											Receiving
Rk	Player	Pos	Age	Year	Lg	Tm	G	W	L	T	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Ctch%	Y/Tgt
1	Breshad Perriman	WR	26	2019	NFL	TAM	4	2	2	0	31	20	419	20.95	5	64.5%	13.52
2	A.J. Brown	WR	22	2019	NFL	OTI	4	2	2	0	30	18	425	23.61	4	60.0%	14.17
3	Cooper Kupp	WR	26	2019	NFL	RAM	4	2	2	0	24	21	216	10.29	4	87.5%	9.00
4	Steven Sims	WR	22	2019	NFL	WAS	4	0	4	0	36	20	230	11.50	4	55.6%	6.39
5	Jamison Crowder	WR	26	2019	NFL	NYJ	4	3	1	0	36	21	245	11.67	3	58.3%	6.81
6	Michael Gallup	WR	23	2019	NFL	DAL	4	2	2	0	31	17	311	18.29	3	54.8%	10.03
7	DeVante Parker	WR	26	2019	NFL	MIA	4	2	2	0	35	19	348	18.32	3	54.3%	9.94
8	Darius Slayton	WR	22	2019	NFL	NYG	4	2	2	0	22	11	235	21.36	3	50.0%	10.68
9	Michael Thomas	WR	26	2019	NFL	NOR	4	3	1	0	53	39	435	11.15	3	73.6%	8.21
10	Davante Adams	WR	26	2019	NFL	GNB	4	4	0	0	48	31	353	11.39	2	64.6%	7.35

 

Since you've clearly never seen him play, here are a few highlights:

 

 

No arguments here.  We'll be replacing him in this draft most likely.

 

Yeah, he probably is.  Though he might not be the starter depending on how Wes Martin develops.

 

I definitely wouldn't call it the worst, but it was pretty bad.

 

The offense is young, talented, but inexperienced.  But it's definitely not "trash" other than at TE and possibly LG.

Dude,

Hasksins was ******* terrible. He had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a passer rating of 76.

+++

I watched the Packers defense make a joke of him. 

His total statline for the game was 16/27 170 yards 1TD 1INT. Bad but not horrendous.

UNTIL

You remove his last drive in garbage time ( 6/8 75 yards 1 TD).

Which then yields a statline of 10/19 100 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

He was god awful. 

+++

He did the same thing against the Jets

19/35 214 yards 2 TDs 1 INT

Remove the garbage time drive (3/6 50 yards 1 TD)

That leaves you with 16/29 164 yards 1TD 1 INT

+++

One good game against the dyfunctional Eagles and a tanking Giants team folding up the tents doesn't make Haskins anything. He was terrible. 

[aceinthehouse]

28 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Dude,

Hasksins was ******* terrible. He had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a passer rating of 76.

+++

I watched the Packers defense make a joke of him. 

His total statline for the game was 16/27 170 yards 1TD 1INT. Bad but not horrendous.

UNTIL

You remove his last drive in garbage time ( 6/8 75 yards 1 TD).

Which then yields a statline of 10/19 100 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

He was god awful. 

+++

He did the same thing against the Jets

19/35 214 yards 2 TDs 1 INT

Remove the garbage time drive (3/6 50 yards 1 TD)

That leaves you with 16/29 164 yards 1TD 1 INT

+++

One good game against the dyfunctional Eagles and a tanking Giants team folding up the tents doesn't make Haskins anything. He was terrible. 

So basically you're saying, we were so dreadful that Rivera will have the biggest impact then?

Or is Rivera dreadful, too?

One thing isn't dreadful...

You guys having Carson Wentz, instead of Nick Foles. 😎

[Chuck80]

38 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Dude,

Hasksins was ******* terrible. He had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a passer rating of 76.

+++

I watched the Packers defense make a joke of him. 

His total statline for the game was 16/27 170 yards 1TD 1INT. Bad but not horrendous.

UNTIL

You remove his last drive in garbage time ( 6/8 75 yards 1 TD).

Which then yields a statline of 10/19 100 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

He was god awful. 

+++

He did the same thing against the Jets

19/35 214 yards 2 TDs 1 INT

Remove the garbage time drive (3/6 50 yards 1 TD)

That leaves you with 16/29 164 yards 1TD 1 INT

+++

One good game against the dyfunctional Eagles and a tanking Giants team folding up the tents doesn't make Haskins anything. He was terrible. 

Good luck trying to convince the few "White tall Pocket qbs are the best " crowd no matter how dominate Lamar Jackson gets they'll never accept him as a QB you see for yourself the repeated posts by these people in here enough to know that

 

Same ones who defended the Sam Bradford and Jay Cutler deals and was critical of Colin Kaepernick "cause he sucked " despite having a 16-4 td int ratio 

[AlexGreen#20]

47 minutes ago, aceinthehouse said:

So basically you're saying, we were so dreadful that Rivera will have the biggest impact then?

Or is Rivera dreadful, too?

One thing isn't dreadful...

You guys having Carson Wentz, instead of Nick Foles. 😎

Do you think I'm an Eagles fan?

[HTTRDynasty]

46 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Dude,

Hasksins was ******* terrible. He had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio. He had a passer rating of 76.

+++

I watched the Packers defense make a joke of him. 

His total statline for the game was 16/27 170 yards 1TD 1INT. Bad but not horrendous.

UNTIL

You remove his last drive in garbage time ( 6/8 75 yards 1 TD).

Which then yields a statline of 10/19 100 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

He was god awful. 

+++

One good game against the dyfunctional Eagles and a tanking Giants team folding up the tents doesn't make Haskins anything. He was terrible. 

First, I didn't know being down 11 points with over 2 and a half minutes left was garbage time.  That's news to me.

Second, he was playing on a sprained ankle for the majority of that game and gritted his way through it.  Still only lost by 5 points to the eventual #2 seed.

Third, using raw stats without context is fun, but it's a terrible way to judge QB performance.  How about we introduce some context here.

• It was the first time since 1999, and the second time since 1970, that a rookie QB started with 3 rookie receivers.  Haskins did this for the majority of his starts.  Even though the WRs were talented, they were still rookies, which led to far too many rookie mistakes.
• One of the best LTs in the league was holding out all year, telling the team of his decision to holdout after the draft and FA, which gave them no time to adequately replace him.  One of the best receiving TEs in the league was on IR all year.  And the backup TE was injured for all of his starts as well.
• Haskins had the 3rd highest (out of 38) Drop percentage for QBs in the league.  He would have had a lot more yards and a higher completion percentage if his receivers were at least league average in drops.  That was mostly due to Sprinkle, btw.
• Haskins ranked 2nd (behind Stafford) in Aggressiveness percentage among QBs last year, which is percentage of tight-window throws.  Obviously, that will lead to a lower completion percentage and a higher chance of INTs.
• Haskins ranked 10th in Average Intended Air Yards, which means he was pushing the ball downfield more than most QBs.  I shouldn't have to point out how this will tend to skew stats.
• When Callahan took over as HC, the Redskins offense refused to throw on 1st down and ranked dead last in throws on 1st and 2nd down.  His philosophy was run-run-pass.  Which led to a ridiculous number of 3rd and long situations for our rookie QB.  That didn't start to change until KOC took over full control of play calling duties towards the end of the season.  That obviously doesn't lead to many favorable situations or opportunities for bulk stats:

 

The bottom line is that Haskins started off slow, as most expected from a raw QB with only 1 season starting in college, but he rapidly improved as the season progressed, despite being placed in horrific circumstances.

[Chargers]

All Kevin Stefanski has to do is bring some discipline and that Browns team is playoff team. I went with Joe Judge though because I think people are sleeping on the Giants this year, especially if Barkley can bounce back this season.

[Xmad]

Billy B. The new coach the patriots hired sure is gonna work some magic.

That or BOB O' Brien the guy Billy B. replaced buttchin with to run the texans into the ground. 

[y*so*blu]

I'll go against the grain and vote for Joe Judge. Listening to him makes me want to suit up and play. I won't predict a winning season for the Giants or anything, but I expect them to go out there with a lot more energy than they displayed under Shurmur.

[AlexGreen#20]

49 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said:

First, I didn't know being down 11 points with over 2 and a half minutes left was garbage time.  That's news to me.

Second, he was playing on a sprained ankle for the majority of that game and gritted his way through it.  Still only lost by 5 points to the eventual #2 seed.

Third, using raw stats without context is fun, but it's a terrible way to judge QB performance.  How about we introduce some context here.

• It was the first time since 1999, and the second time since 1970, that a rookie QB started with 3 rookie receivers.  Haskins did this for the majority of his starts.  Even though the WRs were talented, they were still rookies, which led to far too many rookie mistakes.
• One of the best LTs in the league was holding out all year, telling the team of his decision to holdout after the draft and FA, which gave them no time to adequately replace him.  One of the best receiving TEs in the league was on IR all year.  And the backup TE was injured for all of his starts as well.
• Haskins had the 3rd highest (out of 38) Drop percentage for QBs in the league.  He would have had a lot more yards and a higher completion percentage if his receivers were at least league average in drops.  That was mostly due to Sprinkle, btw.
• Haskins ranked 2nd (behind Stafford) in Aggressiveness percentage among QBs last year, which is percentage of tight-window throws.  Obviously, that will lead to a lower completion percentage and a higher chance of INTs.
• Haskins ranked 10th in Average Intended Air Yards, which means he was pushing the ball downfield more than most QBs.  I shouldn't have to point out how this will tend to skew stats.
• When Callahan took over as HC, the Redskins offense refused to throw on 1st down and ranked dead last in throws on 1st and 2nd down.  His philosophy was run-run-pass.  Which led to a ridiculous number of 3rd and long situations for our rookie QB.  That didn't start to change until KOC took over full control of play calling duties towards the end of the season.  That obviously doesn't lead to many favorable situations or opportunities for bulk stats:

 

The bottom line is that Haskins started off slow, as most expected from a raw QB with only 1 season starting in college, but he rapidly improved as the season progressed, despite being placed in horrific circumstances.

When the defense is playing prevent and allowing completions. It's garbage time. That's exactly what happened on both of those drives. It was garbage time. 

The offense scored 15 total points. 6 of them were in garbage time. The other TD drive, was a drive in which Haskins completed one pass. It was a 30 yarder on a blown coverage assignment. The rest of the offensive production on the drive was running the ball. 

Trent Williams had made his displeasure with the organization abundantly clear. Assuming he was going to play was stupid. Reed was on IR? I'm stunned. Reed is always on IR.

The receiving corps sucks. That's what I was saying. The roster is trash. The roster being trash doesn't mean Haskins isn't also trash.

Haskins had 14 drops and a drop percentage of 7%. League average was about 5%. So he would have had 4 more completions if not for the drops? That's not a deal breaker in any way.

Throwing into tight windows is a bad thing??????

Being rated 10th in intended air yards would put him extremely close to average if we assume a normal distribution, which would make sense to do in this case. That's again not something that would significantly affect his stats.

How the hell is the coaching staff having such little faith in the player that they don't allow him to audible or run a decent balanced offense an indicator that the QB is a good player?