mission27 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Let's go over his case: - While Jose Altuve is the definition of a flea, Judge is the prototypical CS and may be ushering in a new era of CS - Judge is only 0.2 WAR behind Altuve for the MLB lead and leads the league in HR, walks, and runs scored - Without Judge's 7 WAR the Yankees are not a playoff team; without Altuve's 7 WAR the Astros are still 10 games up in the AL West - Judge is bigger than Jose Altuve - Mike Trout was good this year, but missed more than a month, so screw him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 He'll get docked too many votes bc of the strikeouts and that he's a Yankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 He also doesn't really deserve it over Altuve tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 It should be Trout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker8267 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I hadn't looked at the numbers in a couple weeks and expected to make the argument for Altuve when I started this post. I can't. Judge walks enough to justify the K% (he's 18th of 80 AL qualifiers in BB/K) and leads the league in some major, major categories: home runs, OBP, SLG, BB%, and wRC+. He leads the league in OPS by 0.052; the last player to lead the AL in OPS by that margin was Miguel Cabrera (MVP) in 2013. However, it would be unusual for a player with Judge's K-rate to win MVP. The only player since 2000 to win an MVP award and finish in the top 5 of his league in K% was Ryan Howard in 2006. Albert Pujols should have won that year, imo. https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.shtml#NLmvp As corny and overplayed as #AllRise is, Judge should be the AL MVP this year all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 @playmaker8267 All Rise is not corny. Here comes the Judge!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils1854 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I didnt realize that Judge had closed the gap after that horrendous month or two. Looking at the numbers, I cant see where I would take Altuve. Judge leads in all major hitting categories besides average and strike outs, both are about even in the field, and Altuve is better on the base paths, but I dont see that as enough to give him the edge. Id give Judge the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 hours ago, NewAge said: It should be Trout. Trout is definitely the best player in baseball this year, as always. But he also missed a month and a half and his team probably wont make the playoffs tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, devils1854 said: I didnt realize that Judge had closed the gap after that horrendous month or two. Yeah he's en fuego atm. OPS'ing like 1.400 the last two weeks. 9 homers since September 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, playmaker8267 said: However, it would be unusual for a player with Judge's K-rate to win MVP. The only player since 2000 to win an MVP award and finish in the top 5 of his league in K% was Ryan Howard in 2006. Albert Pujols should have won that year, imo. Its unusual for the past 15 years, but not necessarily historically unusual. Guys like Mike Schmidt and Reggie Jackson won a bunch of MVP awards in the 70s and 80s leading the league in strikeouts and Slammin Sammy did it in '98 (although tbh, McGwire should've been the MVP that year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 This surprises me, but Trout actually led the league in strikeouts in 2014 when he won his first MVP award. Obviously nowhere near as many as Judge given the huge spike in homers and strikeouts the past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartica4Real Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 hours ago, devils1854 said: I didnt realize that Judge had closed the gap after that horrendous month or two. Looking at the numbers, I cant see where I would take Altuve. Judge leads in all major hitting categories besides average and strike outs, both are about even in the field, and Altuve is better on the base paths, but I dont see that as enough to give him the edge. Id give Judge the award. You have to look at margins here. Judge has a wRC+ of 164 to Altuve's 160. Very very close. Altuve obliterates him on the base paths. It's not even close. There's a reason why he is marginally (unless you're looking at rWAR where he's a full win ahead) ahead in WAR, despite having the marginally worse slash line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 The only knock I'd really have against him is the strike outs, other than that there's no reason it shouldn't be him. He does walk a lot as well though. He's reached base 10 more times and netted 37 more total bases than Altuve in 51 fewer at bats. Altuve has a higher average but a lower OBP. The AVG is a rather moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Tejada won an MVP over A-Rod so anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Is he even the MVP of his own team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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