Bianconero Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said: QBs and pass rushers always get paid. it is what it is. I’ve said it before the draft- I don’t think JD truly plans to extend Adams. Love to see the plan then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen420 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bianconero said: Love to see the plan then Same. Don’t understand why you wouldn’t even talk to him unless he’s lying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Bianconero said: Everyone's getting paid today We can't use the COVID excuse anymore And cap uncertainty is hogwash. KC just paid a star DT and elite QB in one go and they definitely don't reap has much revenue as the Jets do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, NJerseypaint said: And cap uncertainty is hogwash. KC just paid a star DT and elite QB in one go and they definitely don't reap has much revenue as the Jets do. This has absolutely nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with cap space. This year the cap is $198 mil, next year it WAS projected to be $215 mil. If the cap stays flat as the NFL say may happen, then next year the cap will also be $198 mil. KC has (as of today) has $32 mil in effective cap space. Subtract the $20 mil for Jones and their cap space next year is at $12 mil. Assume $6 mil for the draft leaving $6 mil based on the projected $215 mil. What this boils down to is that KC could very well be $11 mil in the hole next year. Yes restructures and expiring contracts will get them back in the black, but if the cap stays flat for the next three years which is also being discussed, KC will be in cap hell for a few years. I would much rather wait until the dust settles, then see what we can do with Jamal. There is just too much uncertainty right now. It is not hogwash, it is reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconero Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, xrade said: This has absolutely nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with cap space. This year the cap is $198 mil, next year it WAS projected to be $215 mil. If the cap stays flat as the NFL say may happen, then next year the cap will also be $198 mil. KC has (as of today) has $32 mil in effective cap space. Subtract the $20 mil for Jones and their cap space next year is at $12 mil. Assume $6 mil for the draft leaving $6 mil based on the projected $215 mil. What this boils down to is that KC could very well be $11 mil in the hole next year. Yes restructures and expiring contracts will get them back in the black, but if the cap stays flat for the next three years which is also being discussed, KC will be in cap hell for a few years. I would much rather wait until the dust settles, then see what we can do with Jamal. There is just too much uncertainty right now. It is not hogwash, it is reality. Teams are showing that this is getting over-blown from a fan and media-perspective by shelling out the dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bianconero said: Teams are showing that this is getting over-blown from a fan and media-perspective by shelling out the dollars The attached link gives a half-way decent assessment of the uncertainty to which I was referring. https://overthecap.com/nfl-and-nflpa-trade-proposals-on-covid-impact/. I think the thing to take away from this is that the NFL and NFLPA do not know what is going to happen this year. This really needs to get clarified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Bianconero said: Teams are showing that this is getting over-blown from a fan and media-perspective by shelling out the dollars They’ve only paid people they need to. Mahomes extension doesn’t kick in yet, Jones was due money as a free agent and The Browns are just stupid paying Garrett right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, KingOfNewYork said: They’ve only paid people they need to. Mahomes extension doesn’t kick in yet, Jones was due money as a free agent and The Browns are just stupid paying Garrett right now. Nope. They just all see the writing on the wall. Pay them now before the NFL makes all the cap friendly deals to shelter the game from COVID. The NFL isn't going to let team suffer and have stars walk away from lack of funds, and the NFLPA is definitely going to want players to continue to sign record setting deals. Both parties want to continue to sign elite players to big contracts - so I'm sure they will make it work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconero Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Jamal hasn't been on Twitter, so maybe he's actually in negotiations with the Jets right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heymangold Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 16 hours ago, xrade said: This has absolutely nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with cap space. This year the cap is $198 mil, next year it WAS projected to be $215 mil. If the cap stays flat as the NFL say may happen, then next year the cap will also be $198 mil. KC has (as of today) has $32 mil in effective cap space. Subtract the $20 mil for Jones and their cap space next year is at $12 mil. Assume $6 mil for the draft leaving $6 mil based on the projected $215 mil. What this boils down to is that KC could very well be $11 mil in the hole next year. Yes restructures and expiring contracts will get them back in the black, but if the cap stays flat for the next three years which is also being discussed, KC will be in cap hell for a few years. I would much rather wait until the dust settles, then see what we can do with Jamal. There is just too much uncertainty right now. It is not hogwash, it is reality. from what i can see is that the Jets have around 25M in cap space. Cut winters that goes to 32. there's enough to pay jamal now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapo28 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Any argument about not extending Adam's is out the window with the Garrett signing. Garrett was extended at a position not named QB or RB, Adam's is our pass rush, that 25m figure makes 18-20m more palatable, and IMO Jamal is a better player than Garrett. Still dont care for how Adam's has handled all of this but Garrett getting paid should open the door for him.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bobby816 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Sapo28 said: Any argument about not extending Adam's is out the window with the Garrett signing. Garrett was extended at a position not named QB or RB, Adam's is our pass rush, that 25m figure makes 18-20m more palatable, and IMO Jamal is a better player than Garrett. Still dont care for how Adam's has handled all of this but Garrett getting paid should open the door for him.. Disagree. Adams is not a pass rusher. He’s a do it all safety. Which yes is great and he’s great. But edge is a premium position on a defense. An in the box safety isn’t (hence why we should’ve never drafted him so high). So IMO your comparison is off. Adams will never alter a game pass rushing the way Garrett does. Its about his timing that’s the issue. Can other teams be stupid and pay players way too early? Sure. That doesn’t make them right. Adams will get his money. At the right time. Now IMO is not that time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconero Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Disagree. Adams is not a pass rusher. He’s a do it all safety. Which yes is great and he’s great. But edge is a premium position on a defense. An in the box safety isn’t (hence why we should’ve never drafted him so high). So IMO your comparison is off. Adams will never alter a game pass rushing the way Garrett does. Its about his timing that’s the issue. Can other teams be stupid and pay players way too early? Sure. That doesn’t make them right. Adams will get his money. At the right time. Now IMO is not that time. I hate this dialogue tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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