WindyCity Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I know projecting injuries is tough. But when you pay 22 million to a part time player and then he breaks down playing full time reps you cannot be fully shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I'm not so sure I agree with some that this means we are going TE early...Burton simply couldn't be relied upon...will be interesting to see how they stack up Harris vs. the TEs in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: I'm not so sure I agree with some that this means we are going TE early...Burton simply couldn't be relied upon...will be interesting to see how they stack up Harris vs. the TEs in this draft. I do not think it impacts the draft much at all. They clearly were not relying on him when they signed Graham who is very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Madmike90 said: I'm not so sure I agree with some that this means we are going TE early...Burton simply couldn't be relied upon...will be interesting to see how they stack up Harris vs. the TEs in this draft. It’s still not a top 3 need to me after the Graham and Harris adds - it’s a need for 2021. To me that means a back half of the draft upside pick. But, if Burton was gonna be playing an actual meaningful role in 2020 it was almost off the table for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, WindyCity said: I know projecting injuries is tough. But when you pay 22 million to a part time player and then he breaks down playing full time reps you cannot be fully shocked. The way in which he broke down was completely bizarre, though. Once it freaked him out too much to play against his old team in the playoffs, he was never the same again. I'd be legitimately shocked if there were purely physical breakdown reasons for his lack of availability last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 I'm assuming Shaheen won't last through the final cuts either but it's surprising that he hasn't been cut already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOGRIESE Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Madmike90 said: I'm not so sure I agree with some that this means we are going TE early...Burton simply couldn't be relied upon...will be interesting to see how they stack up Harris vs. the TEs in this draft. I'm not a fan of a majority of the TEs especially where we are picking in the 2nd round. I think this move was just one they wanted to get out of the way. I think designating him a post june cut saves us roughly 2 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, abstract_thought said: I'm assuming Shaheen won't last through the final cuts either but it's surprising that he hasn't been cut already. You’d have to think the only reason he hasn’t been yet is because they don’t have to yet. The timing of the Burton move is pretty perplexing if we plan to take a TE high. It would seem to telegraph that as our intention, and Pace very seldomly does that especially at the 11th hour. If anything the cut coming now makes me think we will not be drafting one high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSLCF04 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Damn. There goes the Burton to Foles connection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: You’d have to think the only reason he hasn’t been yet is because they don’t have to yet. The timing of the Burton move is pretty perplexing if we plan to take a TE high. It would seem to telegraph that as our intention, and Pace very seldomly does that especially at the 11th hour. If anything the cut coming now makes me think we will not be drafting one high. Agree with your thoughts on draft telegraph. This feels like an impending nondraft move is to soon follow. Howard makes a TON of sense for both sides ! Give Brady and Arians a top 50 pick to replace a disconnected (from Arians) pass catcher for one that is more suitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 10 hours ago, AZBearsFan said: You’d have to think the only reason he hasn’t been yet is because they don’t have to yet. The timing of the Burton move is pretty perplexing if we plan to take a TE high. It would seem to telegraph that as our intention, and Pace very seldomly does that especially at the 11th hour. If anything the cut coming now makes me think we will not be drafting one high. I think they had to wait till he passed a physical to release him. My guess is that they needed some medical hurdles cleared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, SLCbear said: Agree with your thoughts on draft telegraph. This feels like an impending nondraft move is to soon follow. Howard makes a TON of sense for both sides ! Give Brady and Arians a top 50 pick to replace a disconnected (from Arians) pass catcher for one that is more suitable You can’t trade 50 for Howard. His production doesn’t warrant it. You would be trading for draft rating 3 years after the draft. I would give them 50 if 75 came back with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 8 hours ago, DABEARSLCF04 said: Damn. There goes the Burton to Foles connection. Both were going to be on the sideline so it would have only been warm up throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLCbear Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, WindyCity said: You can’t trade 50 for Howard. His production doesn’t warrant it. You would be trading for draft rating 3 years after the draft. I would give them 50 if 75 came back with it. I'd glady give TB #50 for Howard ! esp if we can sign him longterm to a decent cap# Which prospect around 50, at any position, could come in a help immediately more than Howard ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBearsFan Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, SLCbear said: Which prospect around 50, at any position, could come in a help immediately more than Howard ?? Honestly, a lot of them. Several OL, DBs and WR just among our need positions. What has Howard showed you in the NFL for you to think he’s worth 50 straight up? And further, if he is worth #50 straight up, why in the name of Zeus’ butthole would they be pushing to trade him? I’m as high on Howard as almost anyone but even I recognize the full body of work is underwhelming and carries legitimate risk. I’m with Windy here - I’d give 50 for him if 76 came back too. By most trade value charts that values Howard as around a mid-3rd rounder. I think that’s more reflective of his value. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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