Scoundrel Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I highly doubt we trade Bolles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said: I would rather try Bolles at RG for a season than move him for anything less than a R2 pick. I think he could be great there where its less processing, more grit. It’s been widely reported that the price for Williams is a 2nd rounder, and now you’re saying that you value Bolles as a 2nd rounder. Yet it’s “crazy” to consider that these two players are of similar value? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Counselor said: I highly doubt we trade Bolles. I really think it's just speculation on Breers part, not any substantiated rumor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Counselor said: I highly doubt we trade Bolles. I don't think it's likely either, but I'm not surprised to hear that they are at least testing the waters and seeing what, if any, options are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, broncosfan_101 said: It’s been widely reported that the price for Williams is a 2nd rounder, and now you’re saying that you value Bolles as a 2nd rounder. Yet it’s “crazy” to consider that these two players are of similar value? 🤔 To be fair to @BroncosFan2010 he endorsed the Bolles-Williams trade scenario but not the 15 to 10 move (valued at a 3rd rounder by book value). Hence the distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote It’s been widely reported that the price for Williams is a 2nd rounder, and now you’re saying that you value Bolles as a 2nd rounder. Yet it’s “crazy” to consider that these two players are of similar value? 🤔 I think that Bolles could become a really good OG, so I would take him there over a R3. I also think Trent is worth a high R2, so I would take him over Bolles regardless of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsthomp2007 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It just does not make sense to take Trent Williams. The Broncos are sooooooo young on the offensive side of the ball. If they drafted, let's say, Thomas at #15 and you had that LT, and you drafted a WR well in the 2nd round...and everything in place, the Broncos have a young offense that they could carry into he future for there or four years. I'd say go that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote It just does not make sense to take Trent Williams. The Broncos are sooooooo young on the offensive side of the ball. If they drafted, let's say, Thomas at #15 and you had that LT, and you drafted a WR well in the 2nd round...and everything in place, the Broncos have a young offense that they could carry into he future for there or four years. I'd say go that direction. Trent is like 3 years older than Bolles, if he doesnt fit the time-frame then its arguable that Bolles, a far inferior player, doesnt fit it either. Young talent is great, but a LT that keeps the young QB clean during his peak developmental years would be absolutely ideal. At 31 Trent likely has 3-4 more prime seasons left, with an outside chance that he goes Whitworth and is playing above average into his late 30's. Thats worth a R2. In a second I would move the R2 for Trent and then deal down from 1.15 to recoup a R2. Even in this excellent OT class, I would be floored if any of the top four guys became as dominat as Williams. IDK if people are forgetting just how good he is. He is only half a step below all time greats like Ogden and Joe Thomas. I think he would be a tremendous help to Lock reaching his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said: I think that Bolles could become a really good OG, so I would take him there over a R3. I also think Trent is worth a high R2, so I would take him over Bolles regardless of position. My question wasn’t really about their values as players, but as assets. I’m just guessing here, but I don’t think we’d need to add much (if anything) to a theoretical framework of: To DEN: Trent Williams To CLE: Garett Bolles, 3.95 To WSH: 2.41 Edited April 21, 2020 by broncosfan_101 Wrong number for CLE’s pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote My question wasn’t really about their values as players, but as assets. I’m just guessing here, but I don’t think we’d need to add much (if anything) to a theoretical framework of: To DEN: Trent Williams To CLE: Garett Bolles, 3.95 To WSH: 2.40 That would be fantastic, but I have to think CLE would prefer to cut us out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan_101 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said: That would be fantastic, but I have to think CLE would prefer to cut us out? Possible. Like just about anything, it depends on how they want to allocate cap resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 My instincts are telling me Kenneth Murray or a Ruggs for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BullsandBroncos said: My instincts are telling me Kenneth Murray or a Ruggs for some reason Elway has never, EVER placed any sort of early-round or even mid-round emphasis on an off-ball linebacker. Devon Bush was a better prospect last year and came from a program that emphasized defense and we traded down with him on a) on the board and b) a glaring need at the position he plays. I would be shocked if we took Murray at any point in the first round, even with a trade back. If he was somehow on the board with our 2nd round pick I could see it, but no way in the first round. Edited April 21, 2020 by AnAngryAmerican 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, AnAngryAmerican said: Elway has never, EVER placed any sort of early-round or even mid-round emphasis on an off-ball linebacker. Devon Bush was a better prospect last year and came from a program that emphasized defense and we traded down with him on a) on the board and b) a glaring need at the position he plays. I would be shocked if we took Murray at any point in the first round, even with a trade back. If he was somehow on the board with out 2nd round pick I could see it, but no way in the first round. Yeah I think there is a guy somewhere that Vic would like, but I really doubt it's Murray. I do think unless that elite talent is there Vic would rather take a chance coaching up guys he likes from later rounds. I think good odds Joe Bachie is in the orange and blue next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, AnAngryAmerican said: Elway has never, EVER placed any sort of early-round or even mid-round emphasis on an off-ball linebacker. Devon Bush was a better prospect last year and came from a program that emphasized defense and we traded down with him on a) on the board and b) a glaring need at the position he plays. I would be shocked if we took Murray at any point in the first round, even with a trade back. If he was somehow on the board with out 2nd round pick I could see it, but no way in the first round. While this is true and I agree, we continue to get burned by having mediocre players like Todd Davis there who continuously get burned in coverage. Wouldn't shock me in the least if Hollins took his job next to AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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