Brit Pack Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, GWH87 said: Why wouldn’t we be entertaining the option to trade up to 20/21 with either the Jags or Philly? It could be the desired landed spot to land one of the last “Top 4” WR. I know the mantra don’t get hopes up for that based on history, however Gute has shown his like for trading up recently and this range wouldn’t mean giving up the farm in this draft or future ones either. Eagles and Jags need DBs even floating J Jackson in the package couldn’t hurt. The only issue I have with the Jags or Philly is that we probably would want to jump them rather than trade with them as they most likely want what we want and that being one of the top 4 WRs fallen into that spot. Or even if we really love Mims and there has been a run on the WRs. I'm not sure who else we would be moving up for? Maybe Josh Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, OneTwoSixFive said: It's the other team that is likely to care. Any deal has to work for both sides. Then I wouldn't do it. HAS to be in our favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, OneTwoSixFive said: It's the other team that is likely to care. Any deal has to work for both sides. Again, if the other team is trying to get back into round 1, they realize it is going to cost them a draft pick. Shouldn't come as a surprise to them. I appreciate your idea, but it's not a route I'd like us to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, GWH87 said: Why wouldn’t we be entertaining the option to trade up to 20/21 with either the Jags or Philly? It could be the desired landed spot to land one of the last “Top 4” WR. I know the mantra don’t get hopes up for that based on history, however Gute has shown his like for trading up recently and this range wouldn’t mean giving up the farm in this draft or future ones either. Eagles and Jags need DBs even floating J Jackson in the package couldn’t hurt. Both are probably in the market for a WR and the top 4 are likely gone at 20 anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Golfman said: Both are probably in the market for a WR and the top 4 are likely gone at 20 anyway. Agreed. If we're trading up, it's for Patrick Queen. Most likely, we're trading down and as much as I like the idea of trading down with SD for pick 37 and Desmond King, I don't see it happening. I also don't think that Indy would trade that far up from 44 and for that much capital. If they were to actually make that trade, I suspect that we wouldn't get pick 75 and would get pick 122 while swapping 5ths. Personally, if we're trading with Indy, I'd rather get pick 34, throw picks 209 and 242 in, and swap 3rds. I really hate our draft position in the 3rd and 5th rounds so if there was any way we could move up in either round while moving back from 30 a couple spots, I'd do it in a heartbeat unless we really like what's at 30. Personally, if we're trading down from 30, I'd rather see the following as options: Carolina: picks 30, 136, and 175 for picks 38, 113, and 148 Jacksonville: picks 30, 94, and 175 for picks 42, 73, and 157 Miami: picks 30, 94, 175, 192, and 236 for picks 39, 70, and 154 If our options at 30 are beyond screwed and we really hate the board. I'd do the following: Denver: picks 30, 94, 136, and 209 for picks 46, 77, 118, and 178 Day 3 will be the day we'll probably move around and can target certain teams that are hard up for picks like Atlanta, Arizona Cleveland, and even Pittsburgh who has two 4ths: Atlanta: picks 136 and 192 for pick 119 Arizona: picks 136 and 192 for pick 114 Cleveland: picks 136 and 192 for pick 115 Pittsburgh: picks 136 and 192 for picks 124 and 198 These are all options. What I would rather see is the following: Trade 1: picks 30 and 192 to Indy for picks 34 and 122 Trade 2: picks 94, 175, and 209 to Denver for picks 77 and 181 Trade 3: picks 181 and 242 for 168 This leaves us with the following to do the following: 34: Jalen Reagor 62: Jeff Gladney - I think he falls due to his size 77: Jordan Elliot 122: Saadiq Charles/Jack Driscoll - whichever's available 136: Darrynton Evans 168: James Morgan 208: BPA 236: BPA Edited April 23, 2020 by Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Brit Pack said: They do like to trade and often do dumb deals. Having said that unless we were doing multiple picks and positional swaps I don't see it as an easy deal. To move up 3 spots costs 60 draft value points and that would mean for us to give up our 4th and 5th rounder which might be too much for such a small gain really. Just kinda depends on who you're looking to trade up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe said: If we're trading up, it's for Patrick Queen. Yeah...no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 If we're trading up for a ILB it better be Murray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 If we trade up for an inside backer, Gute should be fired before he can step away from the Zoom conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWhitehurst Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, beekay414 said: If we trade up for an inside backer, Gute should be fired before he can step away from the Zoom conference. Amen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Golfman said: I'm not trading down with anybody and giving up 1 point in value. The biggest reason two reasons to trade back into the 1st round is the 5th year option, and a guy you don't think is going to be there when you pick. Have to get value for that move. I"m perfectly fine with trading down, but not for losing value. In fact 30-40 points of premium are what I'd be looking for to move. I'd rather go back about 40ish to get a 3rd in the 70's. I think you can get an OT, WR, ILB and DL with pretty good value if you can manipulate the draft that way. There is one major assumption on my part however. The needs I feel we need to address match those of Gute as well as the value in some order of those positions with those picks. That is why the draft is best left to the real experts. Except if the player is worth a damn, that 5th year option is usually irrelevant because you're going to lock that player up with a long-term extension. I'm with you on the not losing value wagon, but I think the flexibility of moving back from our FRP is that it "frees up" a few draft picks to possibly move up with the 62nd pick. IF the Packers move back similar to the deal a few years ago with Kevin King, they could in theory deal their SRP (#62) and 3rd round pick (#94) to the ~50th pick. That should put the Packers in play for one of the top WRs if they fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, CWood21 said: that 5th year option is usually irrelevant because you're going to lock that player up with a long-term extension. Isn't the real part of that is the leverage you have with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Norm said: Isn't the real part of that is the leverage you have with it? I'd argue it's most valuable when you're in that no man's land with regards to where their future lies. I think Nick Perry is the perfect example of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CWood21 said: I'd argue it's most valuable when you're in that no man's land with regards to where their future lies. I think Nick Perry is the perfect example of that. That's fair, I agree. I guess I was just saying it probably helps the team some with long term negotiations too but maybe it really doesn't do much either My understanding was with QBs that was the thing though, having that year on their side. Edited April 23, 2020 by Norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 #30 to Chargers for #37 and Desmond King. Chargers select J Love. (Gives King a value of about 90, sounds about right) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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