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39 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Deebo was more refined as a route runner, but they are similar prospects. Deebo>Aiyuk for me though.

Okay, so as far as Harry being better at high pointing? He also HAD to high point a bunch of balls as he lacked separation. You could post their numbers, but Aiyuk is clearly the more explosive athlete. And being a RAC monster is what our offense is all about so that counts a lot. 

We shall see what Harry becomes. But he will need a QB that will trust him on a bunch of 50/50 balls. 

Okay show me film of Aiyuk creating separation against press-man that isn't a curl route. I will give you that Aiyuk is more twitchy than Harry but he will have those same issues creating separation that you're knocking Harry for.

And we both agree Deebo is the better prospect. So the better guy we waited and drafted him in the second round but the inferior prospect we traded up for in the first round for?  Not that it's Ayiuk's fault but that still really irks me to no end. I get that Shanny liked him but this fascination we have for honing in on prospects we like and getting them no matter what is maddening.

We don't have to agree. You like him, I don't...it is what it is. And its not really that I hate the kid. Its that I see a second-rate Deebo with what he brings to the table. I just REALLY feel like we could have done a better job of rounding out our WR group with a different type of player. I wasn't the biggest KJ Hamler guy either but his skillset makes much more sense for this team currently, than Aiyuk. I think both Lynch and Shanny dropped the ball....again.

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Im trying to see it but I just don't. He did run a nice pivot route against the Oregon DB but again, most of his damage is off of free releases. The bomb he caught in the last vid against Oregon was in off man with the CB 10 yards off. That wont happen in the pros. DCs will make him win against physical, sticky bump 'n' run...

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, 757-NINER said:

Okay show me film of Aiyuk creating separation against press-man that isn't a curl route. I will give you that Aiyuk is more twitchy than Harry but he will have those same issues creating separation that you're knocking Harry for.

And we both agree Deebo is the better prospect. So the better guy we waited and drafted him in the second round but the inferior prospect we traded up for in the first round for?  Not that it's Ayiuk's fault but that still really irks me to no end. I get that Shanny liked him but this fascination we have for honing in on prospects we like and getting them no matter what is maddening.

We don't have to agree. You like him, I don't...it is what it is. And its not really that I hate the kid. Its that I see a second-rate Deebo with what he brings to the table. I just REALLY feel like we could have done a better job of rounding out our WR group with a different type of player. I wasn't the biggest KJ Hamler guy either but his skillset makes much more sense for this team currently, than Aiyuk. I think both Lynch and Shanny dropped the ball....again.

Not press man but CB up at the LOS. The exact type of route Aiyuk will make a killing at in Kyle's offense. 

Aiyuk is going to have some problem beating press man coverage no doubt. If you wanted someone better at it, than Jeudy should have been the pick at #13. But Aiyuk will play a lot of snaps in the slot just like Sanders did last season. 

As for Deebo being there in the 2nd and having to use a first rounder on Aiyuk? I mean it just happens that way sometimes. I wasn't a fan of the trade up either and thought there was a good chance he would have been there at #31. But Shanny is going to Shanny when it comes to HIS guy on the offensive side of the ball. 

Looks like if you want something different from the WR group, that player will be more of a specialist. Shanny wants a quick hating offense with a bunch of YAC beasts. One difference between him and Deebo is, I think Aiyuk can be the guy that can beat you vertically more if given the opportunity. 

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4 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Looks like if you want something different from the WR group, that player will be more of a specialist. Shanny wants a quick hating offense with a bunch of YAC beasts. One difference between him and Deebo is, I think Aiyuk can be the guy that can beat you vertically more if given the opportunity. 

Yes, speed is why you take Aiyuk in the 1st and Deebo in the 2nd.

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1 hour ago, Ronnie's Pinky said:

Yes, speed is why you take Aiyuk in the 1st and Deebo in the 2nd.

Again where is this speed you speak of because I still don't see it. Like he's not eating up cushion to the point you could say he's a fast. He has good speed but creating legit separation vertically, no.  Doesn't get run down from behind, which is a good trait to have but ppl can get fooled into thinking a guy has more juice than he really has on in-breaking routes. But on the outside, in your vertical stem is where you can truly detect real speed and I dont see it.

At least Deebo was getting behind SEC DBs with regularity. And actually ran sub 4.5...but I digress

 I'm going to get off the hate train though. He's a Niner and I hope he tears it up. I would love nothing more to than to be wrong. Hopefully I will soon see what the rest of you all do...

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32 minutes ago, 757-NINER said:

Again where is this speed you speak of because I still don't see it. Like he's not eating up cushion to the point you could say he's a fast. He has good speed but creating legit separation vertically, no.  Doesn't get run down from behind, which is a good trait to have but ppl can get fooled into thinking a guy has more juice than he really has on in-breaking routes. But on the outside, in your vertical stem is where you can truly detect real speed and I dont see it.

I think you're blind if you can't see Aiyuk's speed, but they'll settle it on the field, as always.

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1 hour ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

And people thought Simms ranking Jeudy #6 was just a smokescreen since that would have been Shanny's guy lol. 

Shanny told Aiyuk we were ready to take you are #13. Oh the reactions on this board if that ended up happening 😂.

 

 

So Ruggs stuff was a smokescreen?

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Yeah, so I'm going to come in a bit hot here.

This is where draft analysis in a group forum gets interesting, different people see different things and we don't know who is right and whose wrong yet. I'm going to keep watching this, so don't consider this my official position.

Issues: 

First thing I'm seeing (in the 4 games I watched) is he doesn't seem to have great releases off the line. He gets redirected pretty often when someones in press.  That said, he's so quick and twitchy he recovers pretty fast, but his feet are chopping pretty hard. Really seeing some wasted movement (and really the only place I'm seeing it in his game, in his defense)

He's a RAC Monster, a pro, but I'd like to see him to better angles sometimes. He's fast, but he seems a bit 1 gear. A little patience and stop and go could go a long ways with him. Couple plays I saw he probably could've housed it instead of getting a huge chunk. 

Concentration drops. Seems like he has pretty steady hands, but there's at least one play every game where it seems to bounce off his hands. Couple of them would've been amazing catches (Cal diving drop) 

Good body control, but not great. Not what I like out of a round 1 receiver. Especially since those were elite traits for Jeudy and Lamb. 

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Yeah, he's got juice. This is where i'm going to be coming in hot. I absolutely see a guy who has vertical speed down the field and he  destroy angles fast. I don't think he's a 4.3 guy, but he's close. I think if you took Deebo, took some stats out of strength and put them in speed, you get Aiyuk. As I said before, i think he's a bit 1 gear, he doesn't look like Ruggs out there when it comes to running by guys, but he looks faster than Jeudy to me and he's going to be the fastest receiver on our team.

He breaks routes off hard. I felt like I was watching our comet, Emmanuel Sanders. When he's getting to the top of routes, He is shaking people. Hard. Pettis does this too,but there's one huge difference..Pettis has to set a guy up, waste time/movement doing it, then he explodes and is 15 yards past the defender. Aiyuk is doing this in stride. It's not the same trait, but Crabtree was so seamless moving from catching to running to where it was uncanny. Aiyuk is running double moves and twists in like 3 steps. That TD against Washington down the seam was ridiculous. He has an incredible feel for leverage and that is something Kyle can exploit as well as anyone.

I don't know that he has a full route tree, but I sort of get what Kyle means. He really doesn't look uncomfortable in any part of the field. I think if there was a place, it'd be over the middle, but I don't know that we're going to rely on him to do that year one..nor should we when we have Kittle, Samuel, Taylor and Hurd. Furthermore, he's great at running to the play and finding a soft spot in the zone. This is one of those weird skill sets some guys have and others don't. 

He uses that wing span. Lots of examples of him high pointing balls, snatching errant passes. He plays bigger than his size. cliche.

And of course..RAC. Outside of Lamb, I think it's totally fair to say he was the next best guy. He runs hard, doesn't go down with the first tackler and he uses that speed and judges angles well. Forge sort of brought it up, he doesn't look fast, but he just keeps running by defenses..I think he looks fast, but I agree in the sense that he just always seems to find a nose for the big gain. He's not Deebo in the sense he's punishing but he's going to make defenses pay if he's given space. 

 

I am going to keep watching games, but I can see why people were calling him a first rounder. I remember balking initially at the idea he was going to be a first rounder and I got a really weird rut in my stomach last week because It felt like we could end up going Aiyuk at 31. But I'm ok with it. We needed the vertical element and he will give us that to the point where it's the part of his game i'm least concerned with, especially since he can run at full speed and still hit routes in stride. 

 

 

 

 

 

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