Patriotplayer90 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Outpost31 said: Man I bet the Colts are pissed at us, too. They lose Luck, hope to get Love and then the Packers of all teams trade up and take him first. Love would have been perfect for them. They drafted a raw, high-upside player at an appropriate time in the 4th round. A 1st round QB should be expected to start right away in today's NFL, or require a year's development at worst. 6 hours ago, YaddaHolla said: It’s so sad that you post more in the GB forum than in your own forum. I know it’s dead and uneventful but it’s just getting pathetic now. Live look in @Patriotplayer90 in the Pats forum So Patriot is a term coined by and is exclusive to New England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: They drafted a raw, high-upside player at an appropriate time in the 4th round. A 1st round QB should be expected to start right away in today's NFL, or require a year's development at worst. Nothing about Eason is high upside. QBs like him are a dime a dozen. And love the arbitrary cutoff for what you think a 1st round QB should be. In other situations, there's no telling when Love would be ready so using a timeline that doesn't fit our window as an example is a way to move goalposts to fit whatever narrative you want to have. For all we know, Love will be ready next year. Love, by every measurable, is a first round QB. Always was. Always was going to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpdaly23 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Patriotplayer90 said: They drafted a raw, high-upside player at an appropriate time in the 4th round. A 1st round QB should be expected to start right away in today's NFL, or require a year's development at worst. So Patriot is a term coined by and is exclusive to New England? You’re right, drafting a QB in the first and letting them develop for one to three years behind an established starter NEVER works out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 9:08 AM, Patriotplayer90 said: Unfortunately, being a very flawed prospect and being passed over by many teams for that reason doesn't count as being pushed down. I guess Deguara was pushed down as well, even though he was viewed as a 6th round prospect. Except it doesn't appear he was "very flawed" considering Gute already confirmed that teams were looking to move up to select him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I was debating my friend on the college passing of Baker and Lamar. My stance was there wasn’t much difference , Baker just looks better because of his weapons/ his guys getting schemed open. So I watched Baker again and I seen what I seen before . Not a bad passer by any means, but wouldn’t call him surgical. Then I watched some more Jordan Love. And I’ll say this, J Love threw and completed much more NFL caliber throws than Baker. Jordan Love earned much more of his completions , yards and TDs than Baker did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Rainmaker90 said: I was debating my friend on the college passing of Baker and Lamar. My stance was there wasn’t much difference , Baker just looks better because of his weapons/ his guys getting schemed open. So I watched Baker again and I seen what I seen before . Not a bad passer by any means, but wouldn’t call him surgical. Then I watched some more Jordan Love. And I’ll say this, J Love threw and completed much more NFL caliber throws than Baker. Jordan Love earned much more of his completions , yards and TDs than Baker did. Off topic but people generally consider Baker a better passer right now than Lamar? I don't necessarily disagree, I just didn't know that and you made it kinda sound like the consensus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Norm said: Off topic but people generally consider Baker a better passer right now than Lamar? I don't necessarily disagree, I just didn't know that and you made it kinda sound like the consensus. Agree. It is not a consensus. Lamar can really spin the ball and has a better arm. Mayfield appears to be more of a leader, but the shine really came off of him last year. While Lamar seems to be improving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestar Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dubz41 said: Agree. It is not a consensus. Lamar can really spin the ball and has a better arm. Mayfield appears to be more of a leader, but the shine really came off of him last year. While Lamar seems to be improving. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Norm said: Off topic but people generally consider Baker a better passer right now than Lamar? I don't necessarily disagree, I just didn't know that and you made it kinda sound like the consensus. I don’t believe now, coming out I believe The consensus was that Baker was the superior passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lodestar said: Sorry, I meant to type 'appeared' not appears. Past tense, still stick with: the shine really came off...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy1027 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 As a passionate but totally unskilled observer of these two young QB's, I have to say how much I have enjoyed this discussion. And I think Lodestar is on the right track. Baker's leadership qualities likely are his best asset, especially given the team situation he is in. But I love how Lamar is progressing. His game is really coming on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lodestar said: Can't teach leadership like this man: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: I don’t believe now, coming out I believe The consensus was that Baker was the superior passer. Okay yeah agreed. I think that is exactly the case. I just read too much into your post I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Norm said: Off topic but people generally consider Baker a better passer right now than Lamar? I don't necessarily disagree, I just didn't know that and you made it kinda sound like the consensus. 1 hour ago, Dubz41 said: Agree. It is not a consensus. Lamar can really spin the ball and has a better arm. Mayfield appears to be more of a leader, but the shine really came off of him last year. While Lamar seems to be improving. Lamar's throwing motion isn't very good. Baker's is better. As a pure thrower of the ball? I'd take Baker. But there's more to playing QB than spinning a pretty ball. Lamar all day long. But if he doesn't change up that motion some, I fear he will go the way of Cam and injuries will zap his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Can't teach leadership like this man: I didn't think he was considered a running quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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